How to position a schola
  • MatthewRoth
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    OK this reveals my relative ignorance in choral matters, and the answer “it depends” also works; you can only work with the physical space given.

    But what goes into the formation which you use to sing chant (particularly the propers) and where you stand? Or what would you do if all things were equal and you had total freedom?

    — some directors prefer more of a semi-circle or even a U.
    — others have more of a circle (particularly with four to eight or so singers)
    — some directors stand in front of the semi-circle, at a small lectern or stand or holding their score. Others are in the semi-circle at the middle point (again, with or without a lectern — I notice that if the schola sings from a giant score, the conductor tends to sing in the middle)
    — do you change for the Ordinary or other things where the schola doesn’t carry all the weight?

    We are extremely space-limited but are trying new things, and I am noticing that somehow it’s better for my listening with people distributed in a wide semi-circle versus a circle.

    There is also the conundrum of Vespers, or the Ordinary in a monastery or seminary, which ideally is sung by people in two parallel lines (and two or more rows potentially on either side).

    I have drawn examples of what I mean.
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  • mmeladirectress
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    it is essential that the schola be able to see your chironomy even if only with peripheral vision... we have a schola of 8 at most, so for us, what i have found is
    standing in front of an arc works well
    standing in the circle works fairly well
    standing in middle of an arc doesn't work
    our group is too small to do the parallel lines, but I would wonder about the ability of the singers to hear each other (?), which is another essential
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  • MatthewRoth
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    Well, the choir posture with parallel lines is practical, and I would only do it for the office. I think that it works well enough, but it can be disconcerting if you find yourself on one end (either end at the Triduum or at a simple office, the end farthest from the altar especially otherwise) in a different way than being in an arc.

    Right, seeing the gesture is necessary; let’s assume that we can see it equally well.
  • PaxTecum
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    circle, semi-circle around director both work for me.

    i have been known to put four music stands in a square orientation and have all the guys crowd around them while i stand near the middle. it works.
  • francis
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    some historic
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  • CharlesW
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    The parking lot would be a good place for some I have heard.
  • francis
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    @charlesw

    I think you beat me in the contest for curmudgeons
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  • smt
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    A question I always had ... and it comes to me again when I look at the pictures posted by @francis: Why are traditional choir stands two-sided? It seems they are typically used only on one side (unlike four-sided stands in some eastern churches where I have seen pictures of monks standing in a circle around it).
  • tomjaw
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    @smt I suspect 2 reasons,
    1. Building a stand to support those rather large and heavy books would be rather difficult, so to avoid having a weak joint, build a two sided triangular stand. It will be much stronger.
    2. Also if you are singing antiphonally you could have two books one each side.

    Also a Triangular stand would look so much better side on.
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  • dad29
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    Why are traditional choir stands two-sided?


    The other side has the ICEL translation
  • Richard MixRichard Mix
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    Many stands swivel, and some even have 3 or 4 sides: Kyriale, Graduale, Sequentiary &c were different books before the LU innovators and one of the cantors was responsible for opening the next volume to the appropriate page.
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  • francis
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    Because if you don’t “stand” for something you’ll fall for everything.
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  • francis
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    In a church that has excellent acoustics it doesn’t matter which way you face when you’re singing… the whole of the space will be filled with glorious music… and believe me, you don’t need to know the exact words that are being sung… your spirit will comprehend the majesty of God, which goes beyond our finite mind.
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  • Andrew_Malton
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    The singers should know them, though.
  • francis
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    lol
  • Liam
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    Here's a creative approach - call it the Vox Humana - that saves space:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sLNOhA7C2Q
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