I once saw an interview with Cdl. Sarah, where a mother asked if her daughter should play for protestant services, now that she is being asked to help her piano teacher, who serves such a role in a protestant church. He was adamant (quite emphatic, it surprised me, actually) that this is absolutely not permissible. To paraphrase (from memory) he said something to the effect that such worship is in fact an affront to our Lord since it is an ape of the true Faith, and to participate is to imply a communion that doesn't actually exist, and that furthermore, it could be injurious to one's faith to do so. Consequently, it is to be avoided at all costs.I cannot resist throwing a wrench into the works here, but how do we feel about Catholic organists playing for Protestant services because the pay is better than they can get at the local parish?
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.... that this is absolutely not permissible. .... such worship is in fact an affront to our Lord since it is an ape of the true Faith, and to participate is to imply a communion that doesn't actually exist, and that furthermore, it could be injurious to one's faith to do so. Consequently, it is to be avoided at all costs.
such worship is in fact an affront to our Lord since it is an ape of the true Faith, and to participate is to imply a communion that doesn't actually exist, and that furthermore, it could be injurious to one's faith to do so. Consequently, it is to be avoided at all costs.
118. In liturgical celebrations taking place in other Churches and ecclesial Communities, Catholics are encouraged to take part in the psalms, responses, hymns and common actions of the Church in which they are guests. If invited by their hosts, they may read a lesson or preach.
133. The reading of Scripture during a Eucharistic celebration in the Catholic Church is to be done by members of that Church. On exceptional occasions and for a just cause, the Bishop of the diocese may permit a member of another Church or ecclesial Community to take on the task of reader.
125. Active participation in non-Catholic services is entirely forbidden (C. 1258 ). The natural law forbids participation in services that are heretical. If the service is one that heretics have in common with us, even though no scandal comes from such participation, it is at least forbidden by Church law.... It is forbidden to sing, play the organ or other instruments in the religious services of non-Catholics. But it is not forbidden to pray or sing privately with heretics if the prayers or songs are not heretical and no scandal is given. Whoever acts contrary to the prescriptions of C. 1258 and takes part in non-Catholic services is suspected of heresy (C. 2316).
126. Passive attendance at non-Catholic services is allowed for a good reason.... Passive assistance implies that no part is taken in praying, singing, etc.
127. Active participation of non-Catholics in Catholic services is forbidden in as far as it gives the impression that there is no essential difference between Catholic and non-Catholic faith or promotes indifferentism.... [Non-catholics] may not carry candles at liturgical functions, alternate at choir-prayers or participate in liturgical singing. For special reasons the Holy Office has allowed schismatic girls to sing with Catholic girls at liturgical functions. If no Catholic organist is available, a non-Catholic may play the organ for a time, scandal, however, being avoided.
Sorry, @a_f_hawkins, but I reject this interpretation as unhistorical and false. It is the priest's sotto voce reading of the sacred text that is the duplication of the actual liturgical proclamation of it, not the other way around. Surely you wouldn't say that, when the pre-55 rubrics are followed, the celebrant's reading of the epistle and gospel constitute the "operative liturgy" (whatever that means) and that the chanting by the subdeacon and deacon is merely a ceremonial addition! I realize that the toleration of the Deutsches Hochamt, where the actual texts of the choral Proper and Ordinary of the Mass aren't even heard by the congregation, is an argument against my position, but surely that is the exception, not the rule. The mostly failed overemphasis on active participation seems to have led to a reactionary misunderstanding in some quarters of the Mass as something that the priest alone does (in persona Christi, of course), and both extremes have contributed in their own way to the prevailing musical mediocrity in so many churches by detracting from the dignity of what we do and viewing choral music as either an obstacle to congregational participation or more or less sophisticated liturgical background music.In a PiusV descended missa cantata the cantor is adding an ornamental rendering of what has been said silently by the priest, which is the 'operative' liturgy.
tells all… now there is a conflict between dogma and current law.There is conflict between tradition and current law
Yet, I guess that a large majority among faithful Catholics cannot tell the difference between Transsubstantation and Real Presence.Ask the two voices about transubstantiation and you will clearly hear the difference… unfortunately the Catholic may also be Protestant…
133. The reading of Scripture during a Eucharistic celebration in the Catholic Church is to be done by members of that Church. On exceptional occasions and for a just cause, the Bishop of the diocese may permit a member of another Church or ecclesial Community to take on the task of reader.
134. In the Catholic Eucharistic Liturgy, the homily which forms part of the liturgy itself is reserved to the priest or deacon, since it is the presentation of the mysteries of faith and the norms of Christian living in accordance with Catholic teaching and tradition.
135. For the reading of Scripture and preaching during other than Eucharistic celebrations, the norms given above (n. 118) are to be applied.
Agreed. I'm not entirely sure the ecumenical norms are even relevant in some cases. A non-Catholic hired by a parish to sing when no qualified Catholic is available seems like a very different situation from someone invited to sing a psalm as an official representative of a non-Catholic church or community for some exceptional occasion, permitted by the bishop.It seems the answer the question is, depends on your parish and your pastor. A case could be made for either prohibition of non-Catholic cantors or for inclusion of same. Therefore, I would say this is a clear case of subsidiarity and discernment on a case-by-case basis.
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