Grand Orgue Help
  • trentonjconn
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    I've recently installed Grand Orgue and have been playing around with it a bit. I plan to use it to improve the midi-capable old toaster which I have to play on for weekly school Mass. I'm using a standard (and perhaps somewhat underpowered) laptop PC, so when I attempt to load the Friesach organ I've downloaded, I get the following notification.

    "Out of memory - only parts of the organ are loaded. Please reduce memory footprint via the sample loading settings."

    How do I go about doing this? Are there tutorial videos out there anywhere dealing specifically with this matter? I'm not super techy, so forgive me if I sound like a noob. Thanks in advance for any help.
  • ServiamScores
    Posts: 2,889
    midi & audio settings > options >

    turn on lossless compression if it isn't already enabled, and you can lower your bit rate or only load first loops in stead of all available loops.

    I'm not sure about GO, but on HW, Freisach is 13gb in 24 bit, or 6.6gb in 16 bit. How much ram does your computer have? Odds are you need at least 16gb to run Freisach comfortably.
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  • ServiamScores
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    https://youtu.be/qLRTZcFM6Ks

    It's an old video but this guy demonstrates how changing settings affecting the cache change the ram usage. I presume the basics are all still the same.
  • PhilipPowell
    Posts: 116
    Organ > Load organ, adjusting rank audio memory options > Friesach

    - This will show each stop and organ noise which you can click and choose to not "load rank into memory" (or something like that) saving you space when the organ is loaded. So you're basically removing "not needed" stops to make the organ fit your PC. It's unfortunate but sometimes necessary for small PCs.

    - You could also highlight/select all the stops/noises and load it all at 16 bit which slightly decreases sound quality but might work for you/fit when loaded (what ServiamScores was saying).

    - P. Grabowski also offers the Szczecinek organ which only requires 2.8 GB when loaded at 16 bit. I think it does "Mass music" very well. He also has many other smaller requirement organs that handle hymn playing and simple chant accompaniment very well.

    Good luck!
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  • Schönbergian
    Posts: 1,063
    The Giubasco organ from Grabowski is very colourful and well-suited to a variety of repertoire.
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  • trentonjconn
    Posts: 623
    Aaaaaaand now the organ will only make piano sounds. I'm at an utter loss as to why. I even went so far as to uninstall and reinstall Grand Orgue itself, and it still plays as a piano.
  • PhilipPowell
    Posts: 116
    I'd check out this forum thread and if doesn't help maybe post with your question: https://organforum.com/forums/forum/organ-building-repair-restoration/virtual-organs/48998-grandorgue
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  • ServiamScores
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    It sounds like your computer is reverting to “general midi” rather than the samples themselves.

    It might be worth a hast one-month subscription to Hauptwerk… or try out the beta of the new Sweelinq software and turn off the reverb.
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  • LarsLars
    Posts: 127
    anyone tried Organteq by Modartt? I like flutes and some solo stops, full organ is a bit lacking, too computer sounding, but it still sounds better than Viscount. It is also cheap and easy to use and no gigabytes of samples either.
    I personally could never get GrandOrgue to work properly for me(on a old'ish MacBook), primarily it was the latency but also it was glitching and crashing frequently.
  • ServiamScores
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    I find Organteq really unconvincing, personally (in stark contrast to pianoteq which is uh-mazing). I also don't care for the interface at all. To each their own, I guess.
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  • PhilipPowell
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    I agree with ServiamScores about trying out Hauptwerk for a month - but watch out, you'll probably want to buy it (like $600) after trying it, so be warned.
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  • ServiamScores
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    They do have monthly options too. I own a full perpetual license for my big organ at home, and then I pay for the middle tier monthly to use it in my office at church. But yes, it is amazing. And expensive. (But worth it.)
  • Ted
    Posts: 204
    Insufficient RAM is the usual culprit that produces such issues. The reason for RAM on a computer is because data is stored on hard drives (originally floppy discs) but these are too slow to work with, so the data from these is loaded into RAM which is many factors faster, and from which the computer actually executes its functions much much more quickly. With SSDs (solid state drives), expecially with a PCIe bus, the picture is changing but the Operating System makers still have not caught up; nor have the users.

    For these virtual organ programmes to operate without any annoying latency, they load as well the audio samples into RAM. If you do not have enough RAM, either the programme warns you, or the Operating System starts paging the excess data back onto the mass storage device. If you have a SSD as the mass storage device, the data access is faster than on a mechanical drive, but the paging takes up quite a bit of CPU power, so still really slowing down everything.

    What is your computer, how much RAM do you have, and do you have a SSD?
  • trentonjconn
    Posts: 623
    I've decided to switch gears and use my work computer instead of my personal computer since this gig is where I teach and my employer is fine with it. It works with the smaller Grabowski samples, so I'd say I'm set! Thanks for the help guys.
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