Minor Hours T.P.
  • monasteryliturgistmonasteryliturgist
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    For the Minor Hours, (Terce,Sext,None) for the ordianry form, after the Octave, where are the proper "Alleluia's" for the Antiphons? I found compline in the Usualis, but the Ordo Cantus Officii doesnt say anything particular for the Daytime Hours...
  • SalieriSalieri
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    There should be somewhere in the Liber or Antiphonale a table of generic alleluias to be added to antiphons during paschaltide (one for each mode); I don't believe that there are "proper" ones for each antiphon. (Having never sung any of the minor hours, I do not know exactly on what page they are.)
  • smvanroodesmvanroode
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    During Easter Time, after the Octave, the antiphons of the Minor Hours and Compline are "Alleluia" instead of a text from Scripture. The same holds for antiphons 1 and 3 for Lauds and antiphons 1 and 2 for Vespers on weekdays.

    The only directive that is given by the 2015 OCO is: "Psalmi cum Alleluia (in tonis diversis)". No specific Alleluia antiphons are indicated.

    You can choose these by yourself, I presume. That's what I did when compiling my Ad Completorium booklet. To make printing of the pointed psalms easier (and to make it easier for the people to sing the psalms), I chose modes that matched the modes of the antiphons outside Easter Time.

    You can find examples of these "Alleluia" antiphons in Les Heures Grégoriennes, but these are in no way authoritative.
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  • a_f_hawkins
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    Would these have changed from 1961 tones? Those are on LU pages 239, 244, 249, weekdays are the same as Sundays.
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  • MatthewRoth
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    This is one of the problems: the day hours are not yet complete for the Liturgia Horarum, which, LOL.
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  • Chris Garton-Zavesky
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    Missal of Paul VI published 1969.
    Liturgia Horarum not still completed 53 years later? Sounds as if someone's trying to discourage praying the hours.
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  • joerg
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    You may want to have a look at this booklet. It contains everything for Easter tide except Compline.
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  • FKulash
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    The 2005 Liber Antiphonarius (volume 1, pages 241-243) gives specific antiphons for Terce, Sext and None for Sundays, weekdays in even-numbered weeks and weekdays in odd-numbered weeks; that is, nine antiphons altogether, each with a separate tone. All of them consist of four "alleluia"s.
  • smvanroodesmvanroode
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    This is one of the problems: the day hours are not yet complete for the Liturgia Horarum,

    Liturgia Horarum not still completed 53 years later? Sounds as if someone's trying to discourage praying the hours.


    Liturgia Horarum is complete. You can already pray the hours in Latin for 53 years. Singing with Gregorian chant, however, is quite another thing.
  • Chris Garton-Zavesky
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    SMVanRoode,

    I was taught (by a very wise and knowledgeable priest) that the "norm" of the Mass is the Solemn (sung) Mass with the Bishop. The Office can be prayed without music, of course, but it's idea form (and its most formative) is with the melodies intact, and in use.

    So, yes, one can speak the hours, but if "full, conscious, active participation" involves both singing and keeping silent (in each proper place) and is the objective to be sought above all else, surely the reformers of the Council and their henchmen (or disciples) should have already provided the proper melodies. How long did it take for them to provide a plethora of new eucharistic prayers to arrive on the scene, or heretical songs?

    I stand by my conclusion.
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  • smvanroodesmvanroode
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    I once read –but I can't remember where– that there was some firm resistance from within the CDWDS to provide for the resources to sing the LotH in Latin with Gregorian chant. The project, entrusted to the monks of Solesmes, was interrupted for decades. Does anyone has a source for that story?

    The LotH themselves were put together as was the Roman Missal: the texts were intended to be read, not sung. For the sung Office (which should indeed be the norm when prayed in a community), reference was to be made to the chant books – that didn't yet exist. For the Missal these were made available quickly (if 1974 is quick), but the LotH took years: Liber Hymnarius (1983), Antiphonale Romanum I (2020) and II (2009) and yet no sign of a Psalterium (if you disregard the magnificent work of Alberto Turco). The whole situation is deplorable.
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  • MatthewRoth
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    Liturgia Horarum is complete. You can already pray the hours in Latin for 53 years. Singing with Gregorian chant, however, is quite another thing.
    Not if LEV has anything to say about it. I don't care much for how the 1911 office was constructed in many ways, but they came out with a breviary and an antiphonal within a year of each other. I understand that some of this is about the research, but this pace is glacial even for the church.
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  • a_f_hawkins
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    SC117 calls for the "typical edition of the books of Gregorian chant to be completed". So the Council thought that the task had not been finished in 60 years since TLS, and that was 59 years ago, plus ça change.
  • MatthewRoth
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    Well, they had everything but the nocturnale. The council also wanted changes to the psalter (though I don't think that this excluded leaving the traditional arrangements alone), and revising chants according to scholarly research is never going to end, although it might reach a point of more stability… but at least they had the books needed in 1960.
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