Pierre de Manchicourt Messe de Requiem: 5 vozes
  • puretonesoprano
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    Does anyone have a copy of Pierre de Manchicourt’s Missa de Requiem for 5 voices? Or, do you know where I might be able to find this score? I’ve researched online and cannot find it anywhere. Thank you for your help!
  • a_f_hawkins
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    I see an entry in the American Institute of Musicology catalog

    Vol.IV The Masses: Reges terre; Veni Sancte Spiritus;
    De Requiem; De Domina Virgine Maria.
    xii+193 pp. (1982)
    CMM 55–4 978-1-59551-364-9 $104.00

    (CMM) = Corpus Mensurabilis Musicae
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  • rich_enough
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    Evidently you can download the Introit to the Requiem Mass from this website. (I'm unable to open the zipped file.)

    According to the website, a score of the complete Requiem was edited by Andrew Fysh, who has a number of other scores of Manchicourt on CPDL. You might request the score of the Requiem from him (his email can be found here).
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  • CGM
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    Rich, that website is odd. Upon reading the description of the piece and its "sumptuous six-voice texture" with its quotation of Josquin's music, I thought, "this sounds like the Richafort Requiem." I downloaded the score, and sure enough, it was the Introit from the Richafort Requiem. In fact, the URL even says "Missa pro defunctis Pierre Richafort," which is additionally strange, since Richafort's first name was in fact Jean. I guess that whoever wrote up the page about the Richafort Requiem had been working on something else with Manchicourt and got the names confused.

    To the OP — the Richafort Requiem a6 is probably not the Manchicourt Requiem a5 that you're looking for. However, it is one of the most spectacularly beautiful pieces ever written, well worth investigating on its own endless merits.
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  • CHGiffenCHGiffen
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    Andrw Fysh's edition of the Richafort has been available at CPDL for two years. It is indeed for six voices and in memory of Josquin (Requiem in memoriam Josquin des Prez). Nice, quite nice in fact, but not the Manchicourt five voice Missa de Requiem.
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  • CGM
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    I asked a musicologist friend of mine about the Manchicourt, and he responded thus:
    It is in a modern edition in the Manchicourt Complete Works. The publisher is the American Institute of Musicology in the CMM series. It seems they have a copyright sharing policy which, if I understand it correctly, would allow a performance from photocopies from the original [with written permission of course].
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  • Richard MixRichard Mix
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    We're neighbors, and the SFPL, though not listing "Requiem" in the catalogue, has the Wagner vol. IV Opera omnia, which I just brought home (if you'd like to check it out in your own name you're quite welcome to fetch it here in El Cerrito, my cellphone is unchanged).

    A curious thing are the incipits: different from LU, as I guess one might expect for Iberia, but with occasional dotted notes which make me wonder what the actual source is! I guess I could hunt for Montserrat 772 in my spare (hehe) time (HA! HA! HA!) and eventually make a CPDL edition.
  • Richard MixRichard Mix
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    I'm now embarrassed to admit I had forgotten an edition I made years ago. It's now here.
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  • CHGiffenCHGiffen
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    I just saw this posted at CPDL, Richard. Many thanks. On perusing the score, I noticed a couple of places that you commented (or questioned). I agree about your suggestion for the parallel fifth, but I didn't understand the other place you put a question mark. Care to elucidate?
  • Richard MixRichard Mix
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    Please bear in mind this is something I did in 2017 just for the pleasure of study, and that I didn't even remember it till yesterday. What measure specifically would you like elucidated?
  • CHGiffenCHGiffen
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    There is a question mark in m.132, Tenor II part, where that voice is silent. By the way, after taking a second glance at the parallel fifth issue in m.10, I see that altering the Tenor II C to a G avoids the parallel fifth but then creates a parallel octave, which may be less objectionable. No matter, though, just having such a nice edition of a seminal work like this is a blessing.
  • Richard MixRichard Mix
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    Aha, I'll note it on the discussion page.
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