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  • M. Jackson Osborn
    Posts: 8,368
    How do such men ever get ordained, much less elevated to the episcopacy?
    Does Rome, the pope, really not care?
    It would certainly seem that they couldn't care less..
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  • francis
    Posts: 10,668
    MJO

    Read Infiltration-a book by Marshall

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    It took nearly two millennia for the enemies of the Catholic Church to realize they could not successfully attack the Church from the outside. Indeed, countless nemeses from Nero to Napoleon succeeded only in creating sympathy and martyrs for our Catholic Faith.

    That all changed in the mid-19th century, when clandestine societies populated by Modernists and Marxists hatched a plan to subvert the Catholic Church from within. Their goal: to change Her doctrine, Her liturgy, and Her mission.

    In this captivating and carefully documented book, Dr. Taylor Marshall pulls back the curtain on their nefarious plan, showing how these enemies of Christ strategically infiltrated the seminaries, then the priesthood, then the episcopacy, and eventually the cardinal-electors all with the eventual goal of electing one of their own as pope.

    You'll come to see that the seemingly endless scandals plaguing the Church are not the result, as so many think, of cultural changes, or of Vatican II, but rather the natural consequences of an orchestrated demonic plot to destroy the Church.

    In these gripping pages, you'll discover:

    How popes of the 1800s discovered a plot to infiltrate the Church
    How theologians suspected of being Modernists became Vatican powerbrokers.
    How modifications in Catholic canon law enabled predator priests like Theodore McCarrick to stay in positions of power.
    How Our Lady of La Salette gave a prophetic warning of the plot to infiltrate the Church.
    How the chief architect of liturgical reforms was discovered to be a Freemason.
    Archbishop Fulton Sheen's role in exposing the Communist infiltration of the priesthood.
    How the confusing history of the Third Secret of Fatima relates to the infiltration of the Catholic Church.
    That Pope Paul VI explained that Vatican II was not infallible.
    How Pope Paul VI revoked the voting rights of cardinals over 80, thus guaranteeing that all voting cardinals were appointed by him.
    How the criteria for sainthood shifted from a person's historical acts to his personal beliefs.
    The complex roots of the St. Gallen Mafia and how they plotted to modify Catholic doctrine and elect Pope Francis.
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  • dad29
    Posts: 2,217
    MJO, when naming Bishops, the Pope relies on at least 2 layers of bureaucrats (other Bishops). They tell him "XYZ is an OK guy" and he signs off. (There are exceptions, of course.)

    Sadly, the bureaucrats usually push someone they know, whether as a lover, a friend of a lover, a lover of a friend, or just a "good guy who buys dinner and drinks." On occasion, the nominee IS actually Catholic and has a spine, not a column of chocolate pudding. It happens.

    Let's suppose that 3/4 of the nominees are actually good men, learned, pastoral, and having some administrative skills. Then they get into the chair and find out that in order to raise the money, they have to tone down their opposition to third marriages, artificial birth control, homosexual priests ......whatever. It happens in parishes ALL THE TIME--you can bet it happens in Dioceses, too. Some can take the heat, such as Bp. Morlino, but there are projects that he never got off the ground because the money just wasn't there. Wonder why??

    Does that help?
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  • M. Jackson Osborn
    Posts: 8,368
    And we are supposed to believe that the Holy Spirit alone, after profound prayer, has guided the choices.
  • chonakchonak
    Posts: 9,160
    Well, if the Archabbot was able to fool our precursors into letting him be the first president of the CMAA, no wonder he also slipped past the discernment of the Holy See.
  • tomjaw
    Posts: 2,704
    @MJO
    And we are supposed to believe that the Holy Spirit alone, after profound prayer, has guided the choices.
    Is it all a fable?

    'My kingdom is not of this world'

    Anyway things do not change we just travel in circles, the church may have some faithless shepherds, but this has always been the case, who stood up with St. John Fisher? How many other bishops backed St. Dunstan? St Thomas of Canterbury did not have too much support from his fellow bishops. St. John had plenty of company at the foot of the Cross.

    If you wanted to start a successful business would you choose men with the characters found in the 12 Apostles? They were chosen a a witness and a guide that that despite our personal failings we can finish well. What has happened to the church in North Africa? once the centre of the Faith, and then after a string of poor bishops it has been wiped from the face of the earth.
  • francis
    Posts: 10,668
    Take heart.
    "May God console you! ... What saddens you ... is the fact that others have occupied the churches by violence, while during this time you are on the outside. It is a fact that they have the premises – but you have the Apostolic Faith. They can occupy our churches, but they are outside the true Faith. You remain outside the places of worship, but the Faith dwells within you. Let us consider: what is more important, the place or the Faith? The true Faith, obviously. Who has lost and who has won in the struggle – the one who keeps the premises or the one who keeps the Faith? True, the premises are good when the Apostolic Faith is preached there; they are holy if everything takes place there in a holy way ...

    "You are the ones who are happy; you who remain within the Church by your Faith, who hold firmly to the foundations of the Faith which has come down to you from Apostolic Tradition. And if an execrable jealousy has tried to shake it on a number of occasions, it has not succeeded. They are the ones who have broken away from it in the present crisis. No one, ever, will prevail against your Faith, beloved Brothers. And we believe that God will give us our churches back some day.

    "Thus, the more violently they try to occupy the places of worship, the more they separate themselves from the Church. They claim that they represent the Church; but in reality, they are the ones who are expelling themselves from it and going astray. Even if Catholics faithful to Tradition are reduced to a handful, they are the ones who are the true Church of Jesus Christ." Saint Athanasius
  • mmeladirectress
    Posts: 1,076
    St. Athanasius was born in 296 A.D.
  • dad29
    Posts: 2,217
    the Holy Spirit alone, after profound prayer, has guided the choices.


    No. You're supposed to believe that the Holy Spirit works in mysterious ways to guide the Church, 'writing straight with crooked letters' (or whatever.)

    Having Rembert here was a good thing insofar as any Catholic worthy of the name bought Catechisms, Catholic dictionaries, and Theo books by the wheelbarrowful, and actually learned the Faith in reaction to him and the priests he ordained.

    It's also true that Rembert inherited a Seminary which had serious problems going back into the early '50's, but which was terrible when he took over the Archdiocese. It was the Academic Branch of Hell after he took over, of course.........but he didn't start it.
  • chonakchonak
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    That quotation commonly attributed to St. Athanasius has been circulating in traditionalist publications since the early 1970s, but I doubt it's real. The citation usually offered with it says that the text is at p. 411 in this book:
    https://archive.org/details/operaath03atha/page/410/mode/2up
    and it does not match.

    Well, a portion of it matches -- though the "translation" is rather a loose paraphrase, using terms like "premises" that do not appear in the source.

    The rest of it may well be from somewhere else, and the last sentence seems to not be in the text at all.
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