NPM chant division
  • ghmus7
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    I wonder if anyone has noticed that NPM now has a chant division. They publish a newsletter which list events. Perhaps we should remember this when planning chant events.
    GH

    http://www.npm.org/Sections/Chant/newsletter.htm
  • Jeffrey TuckerJeffrey Tucker
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    We've been listing their events for years.
  • Not to be doom-and-gloom about it, but notice that there has been only one (1) issue of Custos, the division newsletter.
  • priorstf
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    I don't think there should be much doom and gloom about it at all. Two years ago the only Chant session scheduled for the NPM annual conference was canceled for insufficient registration. In contrast, this year there are 7 sessions (plus a meeting for the Chant division). Admittedly a few of the sessions diverge from traditional Gregorian Chant, but they are nonetheless there. I think it's a shame that the CMAA does not have a significant presence there to help guide their development. As for the newsletter, I suspect that some volunteering might be graciously accepted, particularly in the area of practical applications of introducing Chant in the parish.

    Here are the planned sessions:

    MONDAY

    Section Meetings
    4:00-5:00 PM
    Come and enter into conversation about issues in your area of interest or expertise.
    Section for Chant - Rev. Anthony Ruff, OSB, Chair


    TUESDAY

    A 27 How to Conduct Chant
    Charles Thatcher
    An introduction to the tools one needs to conduct chant with your choir and your parish.

    B 07 Sacred Song and Chant of South East Asia
    Rufino Zaragoza, OFM, Paul Nguyen, Kai Vang, and Barbara Tracey
    Experience traditional multi-tone chant techniques of the Hmong, Lao, and Vietnamese communities. Soak in the tranquil melodies of South East Asia, whose liturgical texts often draw on themes from Confucianism, Buddhism, and Taoism. Learn bilingual pieces to use in your non-Asian congregation.

    B 20 The Choral World of Chant
    Rob Strusinski
    Learn how to understand the voice, find the best music for your singers, explore choral music based on chant, and more.

    B 27 Making Chant Work in the Parish Community
    Anthony Ruff, OSB
    Discover the place of Latin chant in the larger context of using the unaccompanied voice in worship, primarily in the vernacular.


    WEDNESDAY

    C 22 Sing, Chant, Move, & Play: Music Learning Theory is the Way!
    Christina M. Hornbach
    This workshop will give elementary general music teachers ideas on how to incorporate singing, chanting, moving, and playing instruments in a fun, interactive, and experiential manner. Participants will engage in a short lesson as students and come away with activities to do right away in their classrooms.

    C 27 The Chants of the Church in a Parish Setting
    Charles Thatcher
    Discover how to incorporate chant into your parish worship experience.


    THURSDAY

    D 31 Showcase: Psallite—Sacred Song for Liturgy and Life
    The Collegeville Composers: Paul Ford, Paul Inwood, Carol Browning, Cyprian Consiglio, and Catherine Christmas
    Easy accessible melodies for the assembly with creative arrangements for schola and choirs, this music does not rely on accompaniment, rediscovers the role of antiphons and incorporates a wide variety of styles, including chant.
  • That is amazing, priorstf... and very encouraging.
  • priorstf
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    Oops! I forgot one of the best sessions at the NPM Convention:

    Gregorian Chant Intensive
    Monday: 9:00 am–12:00 noon
    Anthony Ruff, OSB and Peter Funk, OSB
    An introduction to and an overview of the resources and the practical ways of introducing chant to your choir and congregation. Fee: $30 Pre-Registration Required
  • miacoyne
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    This is very nice and encouraging. I hope NPM also announces CMAA Colloquium and Chant Intensive in their newsletters.
  • Jeffrey TuckerJeffrey Tucker
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    Arlene, you should have trademarked "Chant Intensive" (tm). Just kidding.

    There's always a benefit to knowing things but I'm unclear how multi-tone Hmong chant integrates into the ritual music of the Roman Rite.
  • RagueneauRagueneau
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    Felipe,

    Your REPROACHES were sung antiphonally at the Corpus Christi Cathedral and they were ... absolutely stunning. Congrats.
  • mjballoumjballou
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    Of course, where I live, we prefer spirituals to reproaches, but I digress...

    Re NPM and chant - any programming from them is a positive sign and diversity is an article of faith with them, so I'm not surprised with the Hmong, etc. While chant for them is "one of the many flavors of the church and its music," we can't know who will stumble into one of these workshops and be smitten. God works in mysterious ways.
  • Jeffrey TuckerJeffrey Tucker
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    That's so true mj
  • miacoyne
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    While chant for them is "one of the many flavors of the church and its music,..

    I guess that's how we can 'invite' church musicians to learn Gregorian chants also? Could NPM emphasize that "the Church put Gregorian chant as the most suitable and therefore has the first place in Roman Liturgy, and all the church musicians (of Roman catholic church) should learn it as their basic knowledge and be able to perform and teach it in their music ministry?
  • mjballoumjballou
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    Mia - Anything that smacks of "should" or "must" would be a complete turn-off to the average, often well-meaning, music director. It would be perceived as authoritarian. Better to lure them in with softer language. For some of us, authority in matters of liturgy has positive implications, implying magisterium, history, tradition. Many others have been trained to see authority as a negative - as limiting, controlling, repressive. So again, bring them in and then persuade them of the benefits of a "more magisterial" approach.

    And Happy Easter!
  • miacoyne
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    I just wish that people would choose to learn it more consciously , rather than stumbling into chants by accident. In my parish we had 3 music directors so far, but they didn't know what the Church says nor about chants.(They never mentioned about them while I was working with them last 10 years.) I went to local NPM meeting a couple of times, but mostly they talk about what kind of music they like and exchange ideas on personal musical preferences. I wish I was informed about what the Church's guidlines were and what the litrugical music is about.
    I assume that NPM is a resourceful group that inform and support the church musicians to follow what the Church guides and implement solid litrugical music in local parishes, because that's how we can evangelize and Glorify God through our music ministry.

    But I see your point, especially in these days and also in the Western culture, it may not be so practical. (Also, in my culture, being an oriental, I think 'respect to old and authority' has a different concept.)

    Happy Easter to you too. >:-)
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  • miacoyne
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    I remembered that I actually went to NPM chapter meeting early last year and 'introduced Gregorian chant' at the meeting. My MD didn't want to go to the meeting, (Some MDs say they end up wasting their time.) I went with other music minstry people in our parish.(two contemporary group people who wanted to get more info on contemprorary music.) I got a permission from the hosting MD that I can talk about Gregorian chant briefly. I listend attentively (and patiently) about long talk on contemporary music resources (They were mostly interested in on pop-sacro style). Towards the end of the meeting, I manage to have about 5 minutes to talk about the value of the tradition and the chants. (Isaid contemporary music is important, but Gregorian chant has been with the Church throughout the centuries, and it gives the sense of liturgy and God who trenscend the time and space.) I also showed some chant books (I didn't know about CMAA or PBC then). Suprisingly many MDs nodded their heads. I don't think they will jump right into chants the next day, but at least they hear about it and agreed about what I said. Only one lady commemeted that her boy sings every morning some of the wonderful contemporary music and she just cannot imagine him 'chanting'. I really didn't say much, but it's the familiarity. I'm sure he will sing if she gives him a chance.

    It would be very helpful if some of us here can make time and go to the local chapter meeting at least, (it is probably too much for most of us to go to the yearly convention.) and 'introduce' Gregorian chant to local fellow musicians. As Mary Jane points out "should do it' is a turn off, but I'm sure everyone here can talk much better than I can, and let them know that we are in a same boat and helping each other. Many MDs who come there are the ones who take their job seriously and trying their best doing their ministry. It's just that many of them are not told about the chants, their values, beauty and how. I think the local chapter meeting can be a valuable place to contact musicians and spread Gregorian chants in a direct way.
  • IDEALISTIC WISH OF A POPE

    THIS IS THE NPM VIEW.....

    Excerpts from the NPM SITE:

    Iubilate Deo ("Shout to God"), Libreria Editrice Vaticana, expanded edition, 1987.The entire order of Mass for congregational singing in Latin, including all the responses and some settings of the Ordinary, plus a few other miscellaneous chants. The idealistic wish of Pope Paul VI was that this would become the core repertoire known by Catholic congregations around the world.

    Kyriale Simplex ("simple Kyriale"), Libreria Editrice Vaticana, 1965. A kyriale is a collection of Mass ordinaries. An interesting collection of Mass ordinaries, astutely drawn from non-Roman traditions of Latin chant (e.g., Mozarabic, Ambrosian) to provide the most singable congregational Mass settings.

    Chant Books for the Choir

    Graduale Romanum ("Roman gradual"), Solesmes, 1974. A large book of Mass propers-those difficult masterpieces of the chant repertoire-with the Order of Mass and Mass ordinaries also included.

    Gregorian Missal for Sundays, Solesmes, 1990. English translations next to each Latin chant, excerpted from the Graduale Romanum to include all the Sundays and feastdays. Other liturgical texts (e.g. presidential prayers, eucharistic prayers) are also included in English.

    Graduale Triplex ("triple gradual"), Solesmes, 1979. Identical to the 1974 Graduale Romanum, but with early lineless neumes written in above and below each chant melody (hence the "triple" in the title, with a total of three notations for each melody). A book for specialists, but some study of it will be helpful to understand how to interpret and convey the Latin text in chants of all levels of difficulty.


    Easier Chant Books for the Choir

    Alongside any major Catholic hymnal, which has Latin congregational chant which can also be sung by the choir, here are some easier collections of chant for choir.

    Graduale Simplex ("simple gradual"), Libreria Editrice Vaticana, 1975. Although intended for congregations, the scope of this collection and the fact that it is entirely in Latin makes it rather unusable for most congregations. In practical use, a handy fall-back when the choir is not able to learn the propers from the Graduale Romanum . Easy chants for Mass-entrance, Psalm, Gospel acclamation, offertory, and communion-with an easy antiphon and several pointed Psalm verses, for use at any Mass within a given season. The short, easy antiphons were taken from the Psalm antiphons of the Latin Liturgy of the Hours.
  • So, NPM is saying that the Pope giving us chant is just idealistic? After being THE music of the church forever....and remains so?

    IDEALISTIC: The property of a person of having high ideals that are usually unrealizable or at odds with practical life.
  • CharlesW
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    Unrealistic: Music that is not under copyright by the big 3 and can not generate revenue for them.
  • GavinGavin
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    Source of the quote: http://www.npm.org/Sections/Chant/bibliography.htm

    I try to put the best construction on everything; failing to do so is a sin. But the best construction to put on this is that the author doesn't want parishes to use chant.

    EDIT: This just occurred to me, but it took a LOT of thinking. Maybe the author just doesn't know what the effect of their words would be on the average reader?
  • Sadder yet is that the writer may actually believe this....
  • priorstf
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    Idealism is a good and powerful tool for any group, in particular a religious group. Our Church was itself founded by an idealistic Savior who taught us that all we need do is to love God and love one another. In the ensuing 2000 years, how realistic has that proven, eh?

    To pick one word out of a 1700-word Chant resource bibliography and use it to disparage the writer is quite petty. Much better might be "Wow! The evil empire of the NPM even has a Chant resource bibliography. I bet you wouldn't have seen that 10 years ago. The times they are a-changin'."

    Let's say the writer does think the Pope's wishes are unrealistic. News flash: so do I.

    Can you point to a single diocese in the US - or the world, for that matter - where all of the people know all the music from Jubilate Deo? 50% of the people? 25%? 5%? Which word would Lot use?

    In my own diocese I've seen and heard the hackles go up when the words old/Latin/chant are uttered. It hasn't stopped the formation of two fledgling Scholae, but is has surely put a damper on things.

    To my way of thinking, idealism is a good thing. It gives us goals and challenges us to do more. I thank God and the Pope for the idealism of how prayer should be sung in Church. And it should keep us moving forward towards achievement, not looking back and muttering against those who don't share our vision. Lest we turn into pillars of salt.
  • GavinGavin
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    Prior: At least for me, this isn't about the word "idealistic". It's about how the author advertises chant. Look at some of those definitions; do they make you think of chant as something YOU can do? Does "any major Catholic hymnal, which has Latin congregational chant which can also be sung by the choir..." make you want to spend the money on any of these books? Even if you enjoy the challenges of chant and are willing to seek out new resources, our typical Catholic colleague is intimidated by music that will make the choir complain of its difficulty and reticent to spend money on anything but the latest choral packet from a mainstream publisher.

    This is the strength of the CMAA's approach: it presents chant as something immediately accessible. This author, knowingly or not, is presenting chant as something intimidating. And no, before anyone objects that the untrained shouldn't attempt chant, I don't think it's better to not do chant than to do it "badly".

    As for idealism, I'd like to address that claim that the pope's wish was idealistic. I don't think it is. EVERY American Catholic, whether they want to or not, knows Marty Haugen's Mass of Creation. MOST of them know the Kyrie from Mass of Remembrance. Most know Proulx's Community Mass (at least the Eucharistic acclamations), and I would suspect that a sizable number of American Catholics remember the JD Sanctus and Agnus Dei, whether by remembering the 50s or in a new parish that learned it. Learning the JD Mass ordinary is not a challenge; it's difficult to hear it 10 times and NOT remember it!!

    And most American Catholics know and will loudly sing: Eagle's Wings, Be Not Afraid, Holy God We Praise Thy Name, I am the Bread of Life, Gather Us In, and I dare not continue lest I give our older members an anger-induced stroke. But my point is that familiarity with the JD repertoire (with the exception of Te Deum, if that's in there) is not beyond the typical Catholic congregation. In fact, I was talking a couple months ago to an old music director and mentor, whose program is perhaps just the typical OCP stuff - no chant. And yet he mentioned to me how in 5th grade he sang for the Requiem Masses and told me of the "beautiful Kyrie" they sang - and proceeded to sing the Introit tune to the words "Kyrie Eleison"! Obviously his memory is somewhat distorted, but he remembered that tune after perhaps 50 years without hearing it! Some may say Paul VI went too far, I say he didn't go far enough!

    And I agree that idealism is a good thing (although I will point out that our Savior was NOT an idealistic lawgiver - He was given to pay for our failures to live up to the Law, not to give a new one). The issue is what our ideal is. I am an idealist - I think that every church, every Mass, should have the Roman Gradual in each pew, with the congregation singing the antiphons of the Mass in Latin, with Byrd propers for high feasts. Now, I realize this ideal will not be fulfilled - ever (except in rare cases like universities and seminaries). But having it as an ideal means that when I make changes, I move towards that. At my last church, I introduced the chants to the choir, had the congregation sing more psalms, and even got them chanting the Introit. I think our ideals should be clear, whether it's an all chanted Mass, orchestral Masses, or whatever, and that we should move towards them as best we can.

    There's a difference between that and "the idealistic wish of a pope" for Catholics to know 1 Mass Ordinary and 10 hymns.
  • "Let's say the writer does think the Pope's wishes are unrealistic. News flash: so do I. "

    I see Paul's release of Jubilate Deo as a warning flag. Like the country boy back in the 1920's who applied to be a flag man on the railway. After his training, he appeared for a final test.

    "Now, son, if you look to the left and see the westbound freight headed this way at 50 miles an hour and then see that the eastbound passenger train is headed this way at 60 miles on hour on the same track, what do you do?"

    "I go and get my cousin"

    "Your cousin? Why?"

    "Well, he ain't never seen no track wreck before."

    And what we have now is a train wreck of massive proportions.
  • G
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    Does anyone know, is there a way for NON-members of NPM to attend a session, e.g. "B 27 Making Chant Work in the Parish Community
    Anthony Ruff, OSB
    Discover the place of Latin chant in the larger context of using the unaccompanied voice in worship, primarily in the vernacular," without registering and paying for the whole shebang?

    (Save the Liturgy, Save the World)
  • ChrisPT
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    Going back a ways in the thread ... I attended the NPM Chant Intensive at the 2009 conference and have a few questions. 1. Was it recorded and are there copies available, and 2. Any news on when Fr. Ruff's Canticum Novum will be published? (Was that the title?) I've almost worn out my preview material! - Chris
  • Donnaswan
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    I know you can attend the entire NPM convention w/o joining for a slightly higher fee. I bet you could sneak in by wearing your name tag from CMAA Colloquium around your neck- one tag looks much like another. LOL

    I mentioned the awful music conference I went to last weekend on another thread, but the funny thing was that the best thing John Rutter brought to it was something titled 'Gems of Gregorian Chant" eleven chants for choirs starting at the 'Hodie Christus natus est' and ending with 4 antiphons for the Virgin Mary. (Everything was in Latin with tiny English translations at bottom of page.)There was utter silence in the room- I think the four of us may have been the only liturgical musicians in a roomful of protestants.
  • G
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    ChrisPT -- I can't say for certain, but I am guessing very few, if any, of the regular posters here attended the NPM convention and can tell you anything about it.

    Could you tell us a little about the Intensive you attended, and anything you know about Fr Ruff's new book?

    For an answer to your questions, you might have better luck asking over at Gotta Sing, Gotta Pray.

    I hope you will stick around and contribute to the forum!

    (Save the Liturgy, Save eh World)
  • ChrisPT
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    Thanks, G. ;-)

    Fr. Ruff's chant intensive was wonderful. His friendly, laid-back style of presentation helps chant feel more natural, unlike the strict teachings of some educational sources. Don't get me wrong - it takes a lot of work to do it smoothly, but it's nothing to be feared or intimidated by. And there's a considerable amount of leeway in doing it "right." After scads of research, scholars have determined that established singing styles aren't necessarily correct. But that's not to say they can't still be used. The main thing is serving the text. I was surprised to learn there has been some new notation devised to more clearly indicate how to sing.

    The text we used in the intensive was a preview of Fr. Ruff's hopefully-soon-to-be-published "Canticum Novum: Gregorian Chant for Today's Choirs". The preview was put together by GIA, but I was unable to find information on their website about a publishing date for the finished text. (Publishing date pending final approval from the Holy See.)

    The main ideas I brought back to my own rag-tag schola were: Learn the basics of singing chant, stick to things you can easily manage, and don't fight the text. Let it flow naturally. I know some people are downright rabid about chanting with a very specific style. I don't believe that's a good approach. It should be accessible to everyone, provided they don't try to turn it into opera.

    - Chris
  • priorstf
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    Chris - I heard much the same in an intensive with Fr. Columba Kelly. Considering that much of what we know about Chant originates from a handful of handwritten squiggles interpreted centuries later by people using earnest debate, opinion, and compromise, that's no surprise. I would agree with you about letting the words guide the hymn. We need no "McDonaldsization" of Chant.

    And I find it amusing and rewarding that you learned much of this at a conference of The Evil Empire ... er ... NPM.
  • G
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    "I heard much the same in an intensive with Fr. Columba Kelly."

    I am surprised to hear you say this, priorstf.
    Other than his preaching the primacy of the text, (something that i don''t think anyone would argue with... WHAT AM I SAYING!?#?$??^?&?? we can ALWAYS find someone to disagree :o)) in the course I took with Fr Kelly, I felt he showed a sort of kindly contempt for anything other than semiology.
    Not to say it wasn't a wonderful class....
    (Save the Liturgy, Save the World)
  • G
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    Chris, are you a, how to put this?... "regular NPM-type?"

    If you have been to past conventions, how would you say the mood and attitude there toward the chant, toward the "official" music of the Mass is changing, if at all?

    (Save the Liturgy, Save the World)
  • priorstf
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    G - Call it my interpretation of his presentation then. :) Definitely keen on semiology he is, which explained the use of the Triplex in the class. I noted as a result that there is less 'adhesive' to the Solemnes method. Everything is "indicated" but I didn't find it to be as rigid as 4-line squares.
  • miacoyne
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    In my opinion there's plenty of room in Solemnes method to add rhythmic flexibility. In someways, it's like playing Chopin. (yes I played piano almost all my life until I learned organ) We count rhythm in playing his music, but there are lots of things you can add to that in the interpretaion, and the basic rhythimic skill helps you not to go too random.
    People can learn chants from different ways. Whether the Solesmes method is historically correct or not, to me Solesmes gives you basic tools in singing chants. Even if we all agree that chants place the primacy on the texts over the notes, chants are also music, not just speaking over the notes. (maybe except Psalm tones.) I think there should be a balance between musical rhythm following the heart beat and the rhythm of the texts. Without the basic musical rhythmic 'bone,' I think melismas or long notes can sound too random, as I heard in some CDs. I am trying to learn Semiology, but I can apply the method more effectively because I learned the Solesmes method.
  • "His friendly, laid-back style of presentation helps chant feel more natural..."

    up with that!
  • mjballoumjballou
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    Chris said:
    "Learn the basics of singing chant, stick to things you can easily manage, and don't fight the text. Let it flow naturally."

    That's the absolute rule, especially if you're dealing with a choir that wasn't specifically pulled together for chant. They need to take lots of baby steps in order to overcome prejudices they acquired about this music. If you bog them down with boatloads of rules and details, there will be very little singing, no happiness at all, and lots of very hostile looks.

    Model the chant with an easy style, using something strophic to start - and have them sing by imitation. Heck, it worked for generations of semi-literate monastics.
  • The clearest distinction I've ever encountered, save for an professional (eccentric) ensemble from France, that illustrates the natural flow of choral chant ALONGSIDE a studied and wholly prepared "interpretation" of chant was the gradual versicle sang by Mary Ann Carr-Wilson with the psalm by the schola on Sunday Mass which concluded this year's colloquium. Both sides of the equation complimented the other. I know MA fretted a millisecond about the intonation (in the immortal language of Miles Davis: "So What.") But it (the whole enterprise of that movement) was the very embodiment of "musical heaven." Truth in advertising.
    We follow MJB's rule chorally. Messa di Ballou.
  • Kathy
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    Charles, I believe it was the Alleluia. Other than that I agree completely.

    Haha--last night I was telling my youth schola they had to learn to "control their vibrato." We were actually discussing quilismas at the time. The insane illustration I came up with under pressure--but which they will remember--is, do you know how people sometimes write on their car or van windows, messages such as Just Married or Go, Redskins? Well, that's fine every once in a while, but what if you did it every day? It would take all the fun out of it. You should do the same thing with your vibrato: save it for an important moment.

    I was thinking of Mary Ann the whole time.
  • CharlesW
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    Anything can be over used, intentionally or by accident. Or, as my organ professor used to say without a smile, if you accidentally pull on the trumpet en chamade during communion, they will notice.
  • ChrisPT
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    G said: Chris, are you a, how to put this?... "regular NPM-type?"
    priorstf said: "a conference of The Evil Empire ... er ... NPM."

    Hmm ... I'm detecting a mood toward the NPM! (And to use another three-letter expression, "LOL") I'm eager to learn what's up with y'all and the NPM. I'm not sure, however, if I want to go into that using this particular forum thread. It would probably be better to discuss it in private.

    Anyhow, to sort of answer your question, G, I've been to three annual conferences (two national, one regional). If I had to sum up the general feeling I've gotten toward chant - or anything - it would be "There's room at the table for everyone, so quit bickering." As far as music for the mass in general, there were many calls to those of us who compose to create new music; the main challenge being "non regurgitata" (my term) of what's gone before. Some people clearly interpret that as "Find new ways to incorporate sappy pop music into the liturgy," and others (like myself) as "Let's simplify, clarify, purify, and otherwise let the text do the talking." I think there was more emphasis this year on re-introducing chant. I definitely didn't notice that as much in previous years.

    Did I come close to answering you?
  • G
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    Very well, thank you, sir. (Ma'am? Chris is one o' those names...)

    (Save the Liturgy, Save the World)
  • ChrisPT
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    That's sir, thank you. *scratch, burp*
  • mjballoumjballou
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    Kathy - what a wonderful analogy for controlling vibrato - or overly enthusiastic singing!
  • I wasn't at Father Anthony's chant intensive but I was at the chant section discussion (NPM had section meetings on the first day of their convention) and there were sixty people there, including Father Columba.

    There was much said in favor of collaborating with the CMAA, with deep respect for CMAA's efforts to equip musicians to sing well the EF. The NPM Chant section voted to concentrate on the OF in Latin and in the vernaculars.

    There was so much interest in chant that Father Anthony felt he could propose to the NPM Council (of which he is a member) an entire track on chant for the OF at the the next convention (Detroit, July 12-16, 2010).

    In Detroit I will be giving a breakout session on By Flowing Waters at ten years of age. I hope to be bringing many, many pages from the new Spanish Graduale Simplex that someone else on this list is working on (I'll let him speak for himself).
  • G
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    That's sir, thank you. *scratch, burp*


    Don't you go condescending to ME, buddy. ;o)

    (Incidentally, completely off topic, but when I was at conservatory i knew a tiny, delicately beautiful lyric soprano who could belch the entire "Our Father," on a single breath.)

    Save the Liturgy, save the World
  • priorstf
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    Paul - I do hope that your comments are heard by the CMAA leadership. The time has perhaps come to work together.
  • miacoyne
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    The time has perhaps come to work together---

    What are the suggestions? (I am very interested in hearing some concrete suggestions from volunteers for the suggestions, instead of asking CMAA leaders to do all the work.)
    We have to remember CMAA leaders and members are made of volunteers like you and me, who are working out of their time and spaces while working on their own parishes. I'm sure if NPM members ask specific help here, people here are willing to help.
  • miacoyne
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    "There was much said in favor of collaborating with the CMAA, with deep respect for CMAA's efforts to equip musicians to sing well the EF. The NPM Chant section voted to concentrate on the OF in Latin and in the vernaculars."

    I work in OF only parishes, and I get all the help and resources from CMAA. I don't know I would get much help from NPM. It seems like I have to take the whole package of what NPM offers, instead of taking only the chant section unless you pay extra fee, which I can't afford. Do they have any forum or free resources for the musicians?
  • priorstf
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    Please note that I've mentioned a number of these in the past and the response from CMAA leadership has been deafening silence. I'm not certain we should wait for them to ask so much as we should offer the skills and talents we've been given to share.

    Suggestions:

    1) A significant number of CMAAers attend the NPM conference and help boost the chant session participation
    2) Arrange an evening Chant concert/presentation as part of the NPM conference
    3) Work with the NPM chant committee to prepare and perhaps present additional chant sessions
    4) Organize impromptu chant singalongs in the hallways
    5) Prepare a traditional Gregorian Chant Vespers and/or Mass
    6) Get a booth at the NPM conference and sell PBC and other Chant-oriented materials
    7) Volunteer in local and regional NPM meetings to conduct chant sessions
    8) Work with NPM committees to encourage the inclusion of Chant language into their materials
    9) Develop standards for cantor/DM certification with traditional Church music to parallel NPM certification
    and most importantly
    10) Stop badmouthing NPM and the various publishing companies who have chosen to partner with this largest organization of Catholic musicians.
  • Here is the page for the 2010 NPM National Conference: July 12–16 in Detroit.
  • ChrisPT
    Posts: 9
    "Ah, the ignorant one speaks ..."
    It's getting hard to follow. I humbly and respectfully request a decryption of the following - PBC, DM, OF, EF, CMAA.

    Mea culpa, et gratia cum oryza.
  • ChrisPT: :¬)

    PBC: Parish Book of Chant
    DM: Director of Music
    OF: Ordinary Form (of the Roman Rite)
    EF: Extraordinary Form (of the Roman Rite)
    CMAA: Church Music Association of America