TTBB Mozart Mass
  • deltaday
    Posts: 3
    I'm searching desperately for a TTBB men's choral arrangement of one of Mozart's Masses. Preferably a Missa Brevis.
  • jefe
    Posts: 170
    Delta, I would like to see one too, if indeed it exists. Is it accompanied?
    jefe
  • ghmus7
    Posts: 1,043
    I doubt if any exist...
    It would be almost impossible to keep integrity in the counterpoint and harmony, and keep the work in the same key for the instruments.
    When SATB music is arranged for male voices, the key is usually dropped a third or fourth and other machinations are usually needed.
    I do have a TTBB arrangement of Ave Verum Corpus if you are interested.
    ghmus7@hotmail.com
  • francisfrancis
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    In my opinion, do not concern yourself with Mozart. Move onto the earlier composers where the musical content is much more significant. Mozart was a kin to the St. Louis Jesuits of our day in his time.
  • Schönbergian
    Posts: 232
    The musical content of Mozart's Masses is absolutely significant. Don't lump him in with some of the operatic excesses of the nineteenth century or, God forbid, the sacro-pop "artists".
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  • Schoenbergian,

    Since Francis doesn't like Mozart's music, he wishes to express exactly how much he doesn't like it by using this most evocative comparison. I'm amazed how often Francis and I agree.
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  • IdeK
    Posts: 44
    The only work of Mozart I know that is for a male choir is the masonic cantata "die Maurerfreude". Doesn't seem appropriate for mass, nor in any catholic occasion.

    (I can't say that I know all Mozart works, though).
  • Schönbergian
    Posts: 232
    But the comparison is simply untrue. There is a profound difference between a devoted Catholic doing his best to write, in the style he perfected, sacred music intended for Mass, and a group of deliberate iconoclasts with no recognizable talent. There's a reason Mozart has endured for two hundred years and sacro-pop is already seen as dated.
  • Liam
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  • SalieriSalieri
    Posts: 2,374
    Ah, Mozart.

    I dislike most of his music: his Masses are an exception, particularly his Missae Breves.

    Abp. Colloredo, a Josephinist who also banned pilgrimages and processions, had a law that Masses in Salzburg should last no longer than 45 minutes--and that 45 minutes includes everything from the Introit to the Last Gospel. As a result of this, Mozart's Missae Breves are compact, choral (only short solo or quartet passages intervene, save for the Benedictus), economical (violins, continuo, and colla parte trombones), and rely heavily on "stille antico" (imitation and fugue). If I was in a position where it would work (i.e., EF with staff soloists and musicians), I would make Mozart's Missae Breves, along with the two Haydns', Salieri's, & Schubert's part of repertoire.
  • Schoenbergian,

    One reason I dislike Mozart so much is that his music could have been beautiful, but is instead trite and cheap, which is to say it has characteristics of
    deliberate iconoclasts


  • jefe
    Posts: 170
    Still waiting for Mozart anything with male voices, preferably unaccompanied. A lot of Mozart has been transcribed for trombones beyond the warhorse Ave Verum Corpus.
    jefe
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  • deltaday
    Posts: 3
    jefe. Our Cantatio 25 man chorus does several Mozart arrangements purchased from various publishers. Among the best are Adoramus te Christi, Dies Irae, Ave Verum, and Laudate Dominum w/Soprano Solo. Jack
  • ghmus7
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    How in the world can any human who considers him or herself a musician, dislike Mozart? This is impossible.
  • ghmus7
    Posts: 1,043
    I can say, that there are very few original Mass settings for Male choir. There are some decent settings by some of the Cecelians such as Perosi and the like (certainly not works of genius) and there are some baroque masses for Male choir that you can find on cpdl. However the one significant exception is the Jubilate setting by Durufle, incredible.
  • deltaday
    Posts: 3
    ghmus. Our Cantatio has done several TTBB Masses quite successfully. Among the best are 'Missa Cordis Jesu' by Singenberger, and we'll be doing the Rheinberger 'Mass in Bb' with a 14 piece orchestra on SUN AUG 25 at 11am (we also did that one in 2017). We've also done Gounod, Stehle, Aigner, and others. Jack