Immaculate Conception
  • ncicero
    Posts: 38
    Curious what everyone is singing for Immaculate Conception later this week! Also, am I correct that the Gloria should be sung on this day, even though it falls during Advent?

    Here's what I have planned:

    Processional: Immaculate Mary
    Offertory: Ave Maria (either chant hymn setting or solo setting if I have the cantor forces)
    Communion: Chant proper in English from the Lumen Christi Missal "Glorious things are spoken of you, O Virgin Mary"
    Recessional: Salve Regina (chant hymn)

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  • rollingrj
    Posts: 352
    Yes, the Gloria is sung/recited that day.
  • davido
    Posts: 944
    Immaculate Mary
    Sing of Mary
    Let all mortal flesh
    Alma redemptoris mater
    Hail holy queen
    Propers from proper of the mass, Weber
    Psalmody, Ignatius Missal
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  • M. Jackson Osborn
    Posts: 8,415
    This would be a good solemnity to initiate more elaborate melody for the verses of the responsorial psalm, as we have discussed on another thread. Also, for Christmas. Compose or improvise developed chant-like melody different for each verse.
  • davido
    Posts: 944
    I have a verse for Christmas. composed to go with GELOBET SEI GOTT alleluias
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  • PaxTecum
    Posts: 314
    Extraordinary form mass:

    Procession: Immaculate Mary
    Gregorian Mass of the Immaculate Conception: Gaudens gaudebo
    Mass Ordinary: Missa Caça (Morales) + Credo III
    Offertory Motet: Alma Redemptoris Mater a 4 (G. P. da Palestrina)
    Communion Motet: Ave Maria (J. Fux)

    Ordinary form mass:

    Procession: Immaculate Mary
    Mass Ordinary: Mass of St. Agnes (B. Andrew Mills)
    Mass Propers: The Proper of the Mass (Samuel Webber)
    Resp. Psalm: Sam Schmitt (ccwatershed)
    Alleluia: mode vii
    Hymn at Offertory: O Sanctissima
    Hymn at Communion: Sing of Mary
    Retiring Procession: Alma Redemptoris Mater
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  • 32ContraBombarde32ContraBombarde
    Posts: 138
    Pontifical Solemn High Mass with Diaconal Ordination:

    Procession: Organ voluntary, leading into Ecce Sacerdos Magnus responsory
    Full Gregorian Propers
    Kyriale IX "Cum Jublio"
    Credo III
    Offertory: O Sanctissima
    Communion: Alma Redemptoris Mater (solemn chant tone)
    Communion: Jesu Rex Admirabilis (Palestrina)
    Recessional: Hail Holy Queen Enthroned Above
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  • Chris Garton-Zavesky
    Posts: 6,902
    Settefrati,

    Could you record the Morales? One choir I sing in is on-again-off-again-thinking-about trying to learn it.
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  • mmeladirectress
    Posts: 1,100
    80% of us are sick. The organ may get quite a workout.
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  • CharlesW
    Posts: 11,982
    Prayers for speedy recoveries. I have had years like that.
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  • Incardination
    Posts: 832
    EF Mass

    PRE
    • O Purest of Creatures
    • Daily, Daily
    • Organ prelude

    MASS
    • Full Propers (Ladies-only)
    • Mass IX / Credo IV - Kyrie ad libitum from Messe de St. Hildegarde
    • OFFT: O Domine Deus (Mary, Queen of Scots)
    • COMM: O Sanctissima (Allen)
    • Ave Maris (Victoria)
    • Tota Pulchra (Ancient)
    • Magnificat 1D (faux bourdon - Besnier)

    POST
    • Hark a Herald Voice is Calling
    • Organ postlude
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  • tomjaw
    Posts: 2,782
    We will have our usual Saturday Sung Mass at 9am for the Feast, at St. Bede's

    Propers sung in full from the Graduale,
    Mass IX
    Credo I
    OFF motet Praeclaracustos
    COMM motet O Gloriosa Domina
    Marian Anthem Alma Solemn tone
    Recessional Rorate Caeli (Prose)

    Then a few of us will head up to London to the Ordinariate Church for a Solemn High Mass (EF), this is usually a low Mass (EF), but we will be singing this today. One of the Sacred Ministers will be celebrating the 65th Anniversary of his profession!
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  • Cantus67Cantus67
    Posts: 208
    All are most welcome to peruse our website calendar, here's what we're doing.

    https://www.olmcfssp.org/index.php/olmc/music

    Processional: Hail! Holy Queen, Enthroned Above 203 *908
    Introit Antiphon: Introitus "Gaudens Gaudebo"
    Kyrie: Missa IX: Kyrie *731
    Gloria: Missa IX: Gloria *732
    Gradual: Graduale "Benedicta es tu"
    Lesser Alleluja: Lesser Alleluja "Tota pulchra es"
    Credo: Credo III *776
    Offertory Antiphon: Offertorium "Ave Maria"
    Offertory Hymn: Alma Redemptoris Mater 521 (solemn)
    Sanctus: Missa IX: Sanctus *733
    Agnus Dei: Missa IX: Agnus Dei *734
    Communion Antiphon: Communio "Gloriosa"
    Communion Hymn: Ne Timeas Maria 1106
    Communion Hymn: Ave Maria Virgo Serena 1332
    Communion Hymn: Ave Maria 407 (if needed)
    Dismissal: Missa IX: Ite Missa Est *735
    Recessional: Hark a Herald Voice is Sounding 539 *795 (SEC version)

    *St. Edmund Campion Hymnal
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  • Marc Cerisier
    Posts: 537
    Procession: Hail, Holy Queen (English and Spanish)
    Gloria: Missa de Angelis
    Psalm: Cerisier
    Alleluia: from NDdP
    Offertory: O Sanctissima (Spanish and English)
    Holy: Missa XVIII
    Mystery of Faith: Roman Missal
    Lamb of God: Missa de Angelis
    Communion Antiphon: Cerisier
    While the dishes are being done: Ave Maria - G. Fauré
    Recessional: Organ

    (n.b. I would not have put a choir anthem after the Communion Antiphon, but the pastor requested that it be done at that time specifically.)

    Marc
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  • mmeladirectress
    Posts: 1,100
    Tomjaw thx for reminding me that Preclara Custos Virginum is a Gregorian piece. We've done a simple polyphonic version of it for so long that I'd forgotten. very good
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  • Stella611
    Posts: 112
    EF mass:

    Missa de Beata Virgine (Palestrina, SATB)
    Credo IV
    Alma Redemptoris Mater (Guerrero, SATB)
    Ave Maria a'5 (Palestrina, SSATB)
    Ecce Virgo Concipies (Morales, SATB)
    Ego Sum Panis (Palestrina, SATB - if needed)
    Closing hymn: Immaculate Mary

    Everything a'capella
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  • matthewjmatthewj
    Posts: 2,700
    Vigil:
    Introit GR
    Mass VIII
    Psalm/Alleluia LCM
    Ave Maria, Franck
    Communion GR
    Immaculate Mary

    Day (bilingual, a capella):
    Introit, Spanish GS
    Mass VIII
    Psalm LCM
    Alleluia, Mode VIII Spanish
    Offertory LCM
    Communion, Spanish GS
    Ave Maris Stella, Mode I
    Alma Redemptoris, simple tone
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  • donr
    Posts: 971
    Entrance: "Immaculate Mary"
    Antiphon: "I Rejoice Heartily in the Lord" - LCSG
    Offertory: "Hail Mary Full of Grace" - LCSG
    Comm Antiphon: "Glorious Things" - LCSG
    Comm: "Ave Maria" - Victoria
    Meditation: "Alma Redemptoris Mater" - Chant
    Recessional: "Sing of Mary"
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  • Caleferink
    Posts: 434
    Entrance: "Immaculate Mary"
    Proper Introit: "Gaudens gaudebo" (Weber's Proper of the Mass)
    Kyrie XVI
    Gloria: Congregational Mass
    Psalm 98: Gelineau
    Alleluia: Mode VI
    Offertory: "Ave Maria" (Liszt, from the Oxford Book of Flexible Anthems)
    Sanctus: RM chant
    Mystery of Faith: RM chant - Save us, Savior...
    Amen: Danish
    Agnus Dei: Holy Cross Mass
    Communion Antiphon: "Gloriosa dicta sunt de te" (Weber)
    Canticle: "Magnificat" (Chepponis)
    Recessional: "Hail, Holy Queen"
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  • eft94530eft94530
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    matthewj: [...] Spanish GS [...]

    Please explain, describe, provide source location(s) !
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  • StimsonInRehabStimsonInRehab
    Posts: 1,933
    Low Mass. Our regular priest will be busy that morning. And, to add insult to injury, I'll be rehearsing for a Christmas concert in the morning, so I won't even be able to make that. And, since it seems like everyone in Traddom finds the concept of a mass on the evening of a holy day of obligation during the weekend (specifically Saturday) to be anathema, it looks like the only time I'll able to go will be tonight.
    For the vigil.
    At the guitar mass.
    (Insert MJO Box-Dot of Doom here.)
    But - I look on the bright side. The Christmas concert I'm doing will feature a lot of beautiful music from mediaeval times up to the present, and I'll be able to attend another concert tomorrow evening where the old chant choir I founded will be singing the O Antiphons. So that'll be worth it.
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  • matthewjmatthewj
    Posts: 2,700
    matthewj: [...] Spanish GS [...]

    Please explain, describe, provide source location(s) !


    It's a PDF I have called the Gradual Josefino - an incomplete edition of the Graduale Simplex in Spanish. Someone sent it to me at some point for me to test out the chants and we've used it occasionally over the years. I'm guessing it's an expanded version of what is available here:
    https://marello.org/
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  • M. Jackson Osborn
    Posts: 8,415
    The Cathedral of Our Lady of Walsingham
    Houston

    Solemn High Mass of the Vigil
    6.30pm

    (All three readings sung)

    Organ Voluntary - Prelude on Alma Redemptoris Mater - - - Improvisation
    At the Procession - Hymn: 'Immaculate Mary, Your Praises We Sing' - - - Lourdes Hymn

    The Introit - Gaudens gaudebo - - - Tone VIII (AUG)
    Kyrie - Cum jubilo - - - Mode I
    Gloria - Missa Sancta Maria Magdalena - - - Healey Willan

    The Psalm - Psalm XCVIII, Cantate Domino - - - Chant, Sir John Goss
    Alleluya and Verse - Tota pulchra es - - - Mode VIII and Tone VI (GR and AUG)

    The Nicene Creed - Credo III - - - Mode V

    At the Offertory -
    The Antiphon - Ave Maria - - - Tone II (AUG)
    Anthem - Alma Redemptoris Mater - - - G.P. da Palestrina

    Sanctus - Cum jubilo - - - Mode V
    The Our Father - - - Mode VII
    Agnus Dei - Cum jubilo - - - Mode V

    At the Communion -
    The Antiphon - Gloriosa Dicta Sunt - - - Tone I (AUG)
    Anthem - 'Virgin Born, We Bow before Thee' - - - Charles F. Waters
    Hymn - 'Sing of Mary, Pure and Lowly' - - - Pleading Saviour

    At the Dismissal - Hymn: 'Hail, Holy Queen, Enthroned Above' - - - Salve Regina Caelitum

    The Marian Antiphon - Alma Redemptoris Mater - - - Mode V
    Organ Voluntary - Toccata on Alma Redemptoris Mater - - - Improvisation
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  • Carol
    Posts: 856
    I Just realized I joined the forum a year ago in order to complain/get guidance about not singing "O Come O Come Emmanuel" prior to the third Sunday of Advent. Thanks for all I have learned this past year. I have been educated and often entertained and frequently in awe at the amount of knowledge many here have of liturgy,etc.
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  • rich_enough
    Posts: 1,048
    Ordinary Form
    Hymn at the Procession: Immaculate Mary
    Gregorian proper chants (Introit, Offertory, Communion)
    resp. psalm: Sam Schmitt (cantor on verses)
    Mass setting: "Jubilate Deo" with Gloria from "Congregational Mass" (John Lee)

    Extraordinary Form
    Gregorian proper chants
    Missa super "Dixit Maria" - Hans Leo Hassler
    motet at the offertory: Ave gratia plena - Cornelius Verdonck
    Motet at communion: Ave Maris Stella - Hassler
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  • StimsonInRehabStimsonInRehab
    Posts: 1,933
    I Just realized I joined the forum a year ago


    Nine years ago, on the First Sunday of Advent, I returned to the Church by receiving Holy Communion, rushing from the choir loft with my poor bewildered mother, right after singing Cornelius's The Three Kings as a motet. Here's to a Happy New Year, Carol, with lots more learning!
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  • efof91
    Posts: 4
    The Pontifical Shrine and Parish Church of Our Lady of Mount Carmel
    Saturday, December 8, 2018 - 11:00 A.M.

    Missa Cantata - Extraordinary Form - 1962 MR-EF

    Hymn at the Procession - Holy Light, On Earth's Horizon, BLAENWERN
    Propers - Gaudens gaudebo
    Ordinary - Mass IX, Cum Jubilo, Gloria, Mass VIII de Angelis, Credo - III
    Hymns at the Offertory - Ave Maris Stella and O Sanctissima
    Communion - Magnificat, Tone Royal, Refrain from St. Anne's Shrine Beaupre
    Marian Antiphon - Alma Redemptoris Mater, Simple Tone
    Hymn at the Retiring Procession - Immaculate Mary, LOURDES HYMN

    Exposition of the Blessed Sacrament, Adoration and Benediction
    O Salutaris (WERNER), Tantum Ergo (ST. THOMAS), Adoremus in aeternum, Psalm 116 & Holy God we praise Thy Name (GROSSER GOTT)
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  • M. Jackson Osborn
    Posts: 8,415
    BLAENWERN
    What a treat!
    I've not heard of Blaenwern being done except in England.
    What a magnificent tune with much gravitas.
    I wish that it would catch on over here.
    It would be a wonderful choice for "Love Divine...' for a change.
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  • chonakchonak
    Posts: 9,216
    Oh, Blaenwern has even made it into the missalettes. It appears in WLP's Seasonal Missalette from time to time with one of Kathleen Pluth's hymns.
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  • M. Jackson Osborn
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    ...one of...
    Which one?
    Could you print the text here for those of us who do not have a compendium of her hymns?
  • quilisma
    Posts: 136
    BLAENWERN: England...and Wales (the country of its birth)
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  • M. Jackson Osborn
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    Bryn Calfaria is another exquisite and powerful Welsh tune that is rarely heard over here. For those (fortunate ones) who have The English Hymnal in their libraries, it appears at no. 319 with the glorious hymn text, 'Lord, Enthroned in Heav'nly Splendour, First Begotten From the Dead'. It makes a fine anthem.
  • Liam
    Posts: 5,093
    Or listen here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrpBOOs3aTs
  • chonakchonak
    Posts: 9,216
    MJO, it's "He who walked upon the water", whose text you can find on the CMAA site:
    https://media.musicasacra.com/books/hymns/kp_he2.pdf
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  • mahrt
    Posts: 517
    At St. Thomas Aquinas, Palo Alto (St. Ann Choir):
    Organ prelude and postlude
    Gregorian propers, including gradual and alleluia
    Sung lessons
    Byrd, Mass for Three Voices
    Litany of Loretto for intercessions
    Offertory motet: Mouton, Ave Maria
    Communion motet, Josquin, Christe Fili Dei
    Salve Regina at conclusion
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  • KyleM18
    Posts: 150
    I'm genuinely curious. I thought the "Alma Redemptoris" was supposed to be sung instead of the "Salve Regina". At least, that's what our Pastor is having us do throughout Advent and possibly Christmas.
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  • M. Jackson Osborn
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    ...genuinely curious...
    You are correct in that this is indeed the season for Alma Redemptoris Mater. I've noticed that for very many (most?) Catholics the Salve Regina is the default Marian antiphon, no matter the season of the year.
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  • tomjaw
    Posts: 2,782
    @KyleM18 After Compline a seasonal Marian Anthem is sung... Some places also sing / sang a seasonal Marian Anthem after Mass, Vespers and other hours of the Divine Office. I don't think you will find a book mandating the practice, as it is only a custom, so it is perfectly fine to sing the Salve Regina. I just think it is more interesting to follow the seasonal arrangement.
  • StimsonInRehabStimsonInRehab
    Posts: 1,933
    I know the Dominicans traditionally sing the Salve Regina all year round. If memory serves they do this in the Jerusalem Rite as well as all Gallican rites, too.
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  • Jeffrey Quick
    Posts: 2,086
    We've been smuggling in the simple tone Alma Redemptoris whenever we have a little space to fill (since we can't do it with the organ). The idea is to get people familiar with a Marian antiphon that's not Salve Regina.
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  • mahrt
    Posts: 517
    I favor keeping the conventions of the four Marian antiphons in season, and when we sing Vespers, we always conclude with the proper Marian antiphon. (Not everyone has noticed the rubric for Vespers in the extraordinary form, which prescribes singing the Marian antiphon, if Compline is not to follow immediately.) I considered singing Alma Redemptoris Mater, but Salve Regina is well known, and our people sing it well. Since we sang a polyphonic Mass, I felt that the congregation should have the opportunity to sing something they knew well. In the ordinary form, even in the office at the conclusion of Compline, one of three Marian antiphons isnow prescribed, Alma Redemptoris Mater, Ave Regina Caelorum, or Salve Regina, or another prescribed by the conference of bishops.
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  • Richard MixRichard Mix
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    I had the impression (I'm now not sure it wasn't gained from perusing GIA/OCP products rather than the LOTH) that the OF prescribed Regina caeli at Eastertide and Salve for the rest, with the option of substituting Alma & Ave during their traditional seasons. This might represent a return to the 13c 'summer of the liturgy' when Salve seems to have been sung year-round, with votive antiphons assigned by weekday; New Grove has an interesting table of 4 French uses from the 15c:

                   Senlis Aix-en-Provence           La Chise-Dieu            Sélestat
    Sunday:      [?]       Alma Redemptoris mater   Quam dilecta            Ave regina
    Monday: Alma Redemptoris / Mater patris    Gaude virgo            Nigra sum
    Tuesday: Sub tuum    Ave regina                    Ave regina             Ista est
    Wednesday:Haec est. Ave virgo sanctissima Ave stella               Tota pulchra
    Thursday: Tota pulchra Ave regina... mater Gaude Dei genitrix Descendi
    Friday: Ave regina   Ave virgo sanctissima     Speciosa      Alma Redemptoris
    Saturday: Salve regina Salve regina               Salve regina           Salve regina
                                      (Regina coeli               (Regina coeli
                                      in Paschaltide)             in Paschaltide)
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  • Chris Garton-Zavesky
    Posts: 6,902
    Richard,

    That doesn't sound like a summer of the liturgy.
  • Richard MixRichard Mix
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    That might be because you're tainted by Tridentine renaissance humanist corruption, Chris ;-) "Springtime of the Liturgy", once much bandied about by liturgists, is already taken, as a euphemism for Dark Ages. Any lover of melismatic chant will be able to assent to Henry Adams' estimation of the 13c (if you haven't already, read Mont St. Michele & Chartres!) although it's perturbing to a musician when he writes off the next century as the setting in of the rot.
  • Chris Garton-Zavesky
    Posts: 6,902
    The idea of singing Salve Regina all year round strikes me as un-necessarily limited, since the other seasonally appropriate antiphons now exist.
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  • M. Jackson Osborn
    Posts: 8,415
    ...un-necessarily limited...
    There are those (their number is legion) who prefer their limitations and don't wish to be bothered by anything that lies beyond said limitations.
  • a_f_hawkins
    Posts: 3,471
    Richard Mix : The rot has always been with us (another translation and context attached)
    Jerome says: "Listen, young men whose duty it is to recite the office in church: God is to be sung not with the voice but with the heart. Nor should you, like play-actors, ease your throat and jaws with medicaments, and make the church resound with theatrical measures and airs."commentary on Ephesians 5:19
    , and Jerome didn't approve Ambrose 's hymn initiative either.
    jeromecantors.pdf
    152K
  • Richard MixRichard Mix
    Posts: 2,801
    singing Salve Regina all year round strikes me as un-necessarily limited
    (I hope the table above is a bit more legible now I inserted a few hard-spaces.) (More than) 17 votive antiphons is not as limited as 4, and [2 or 4] isn't exactly a further limit. Many Lutheran churches mix things up by seasonally switching the "Hymn of Praise" between Glory to God and This is the Feast of Victory, which might strike some as pointless.
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  • eft94530eft94530
    Posts: 1,577
    RichardMix .. perhaps if you delimit your table with the html tags CODE_ON and CODE_OFF then the table will be consistently rendered neatly?
  • chonakchonak
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    The HTML features supported by the forum software are rather limited.
  • ghmus7
    Posts: 1,483
    Where's the music on that Marcello site? there's nothing there and no way to contact the webmeister.
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