This unfortunately isn't in the Cinq Messes at Gallica (a search of this forum is the quickest way to get there) nor do I spot it amid the astounding curiosities of Nouveau recueil de messes anciennes et nouvelles en plain-chant ordinaire. Oxford Music Online omits the Henri Dumont article (Plein-chant musical & Neo-gallican chant articles skip him as well), perhaps I'll have time to fetch a bound NG tonight...

I was able to find this but I'm not sure it's any more than what's posted above.

http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b9009986q

Josh -

Many thanks for this! The Gloria sung on the Lionel Bernard youtube version is the Dumont one in the sixth tone. Curious, because Corrette's organ pieces are in the eighth tone, which, for all practical purposes here is the key of G. However, Dumont's sixth tone mass fits perfectly with it on Bernard's youtube performance.

I can see now that Bernard omits in gloria dei patris. Amen, and simply plays the last two of Corrette's versets one right after the other, which I think is not right. I shall have my schola sing in gloria dei patris, followed by the last organ verset standing in for amen.

You have been enormously helpful. Thanks so much!!!

Acchhh! Missa de Angelis is sooooo old hat.
And! You wouldn't want to get Fr Columba started about it.
I guess one could consider it (and the orbis factor kyrie) a nice vocalise - nothing more.

Listen to the youtube version of the Corrette-Dumont I mention above.
I'm sure you'd like it.

Orbis factor's Kyrie A does indeed have an older pedigree, but is only a little more interesting than the much later variant, Kyrie B, which is hardly more than an amusing vocalise for musically challenged folk.

As for De Angelis, well, anything I say about it wouldn't hold a candle to the excoriations on offer from Fr Columba - excoriations well deserved.

I refer to the A & B as given in Graduale Triplex. The sole one appearing in Liber Usualis corresponds to Kyrie B of the GT, which is downright modern - an incredibly facile variant of the earlier version in GT.

Orbis factor is in the Sarum books...I think these versions are rather good, of course most of you are banned from singing the Troped version.
Scans from the Graduale Sarisburiensis, 1508.

I'm searching now for any XVIIth century 'messe du huitieme ton' that might have been sung with Gaspard Corrette's Messe du huitieme ton pour la Usage des Dames Religieuse

While Henri Dumont's mass in the sixth tone (as given above by Josh) is successfully paired with several recordings of Corrette's mass, I would like to find an eighth tone mass to sing with Corrette's mass on a recital later this autumn. Does anyone here know of other such 'newly composed' masses of the period which would match this organ mass tone-wise? I don't seem to have anything about these sorts of masses in my library. Was Dumont a singular phenomenon, or are there others? Corrette's mass hasn't the vaguest intimation of a c.f. - nor does it work with any of the Gregorian glorias, not even Cunctipotens, which was the default French mass at this time.

Lacking a period eighth tone mass I will use the sixth tone Dumont one, for which I thank Josh for having provided.

I'm not sure if it's exactly what you're looking for but I have these.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B4L7cTmcIRVEanZXeUFka053NjQ
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B4L7cTmcIRVERFExQXNoRFhSOVE
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B4L7cTmcIRVEcTlJRDgtbnV5WG8

R

I'm not sure about the others but a Kyriale in Peregrinus tone would be interesting. IF there is such a thing.

JulieColl - don't believe all you find online. The Messe Royale is definitely in mode I, not mode VIII - the chant and so forth to which you refer has been labelled wrongly.

I would choose a messe en pleinchant musical, or assemble a set of ordinary parts in the proper mode -- from proper preSolesmes mensural editions, if course.

As an aside: in case it might be of interest, HERE is a description of what I did last year with Couperin's Mass "For the Parishes".

Yes, there are other quasi-chant style masses from the time of Dumont. Reposting this from Sept. 2013. Rob, Portland, Oregon
While investigating the masses of Dumont, I came across some other mass settings in a quasi-plainchant style.

The first is Cinq messes en plainchant musical. I found it easy to download from this site
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b9059803g

The second is in Google Books, and is Nouveau recueil de messes anciennes et nouvelles en plain-chant ordinaire, and it is in Google Books. A link MIGHT be
http://books.google.com/books?id=H7O6e3RjSgAC&source=gbs_similarbooks
If that doesn't work, plug in the name. You may need to hover over the red
ebook free button to find where to download the pdf.

I posted about the second of these books on a Yahoo Gregorian Group and got this response:

Hi Rob; I have had a quick look; it is very interesting and practical music.

I notice that the last mass is in time (i.e. 4/4) if you make the square with stem a half note, the regular square a quarter note, and the diamond an eighth. Sharps and flats are marked; clefs are C and F (F has the extra blob on the left). And we have unison, duos and trios.

I think we will try some of these at my church; we have a small but good choir. probably only kyrie, sanctus and agnus for now.

In the triple time Salvum fac that opens the collection, stemmed note would equal dotted quarter, diamond = eighth, square = quarter. Small notes are like graces in baroque music. Two notes same pitch right beside one another are like a tied note. Sharps are x.

In the plainchant masses it appears that the rhythmic notations is essentially giving longs and shorts in accordance with the stress of the latin syllables--as is found in other post-tridentine chant sources (not my area of knowledge) so again a stem is long, a square is normal and a diamond is short; but I wouldn't do that in a mechanical way.
This type of notation also appears in the Merbecke Mass that was mentioned.

William Renwick
School of the Arts
McMaster University
Hamilton Ontario CANADA L8S 4M2 http://www.humanities.mcmaster.ca/~renwick/wr.htm

I hope these will be of use, and of interest, to those who have been looking for more chant ordinaries.

Of course, these aren't ancient melodies; those are scattered all over in libraries where many have never been cataloged, so we just have to wait for scholars to unearth them and prepare performing editions!

Rob
Portland, Oregon

With nine versets, and the divisions of the Gloria as they are in the Vatican Edition Graduale Romanum (1908), one would get:

***Chant — Gloria
1. Organ — Et in terra
***Chant — Laudamus te
2. Organ — Benedicimus te
***Chant — Adoramus te
3. Organ — Glorificamus te
***Chant — Gratias agimus tibi
4. Organ — Domine Deus, Rex coelestis
***Chant — Domine Fili
5. Organ — Domine Deus, Agnus Dei
***Chant — Qui tollis… miserere
6. Organ — Qui tollis… suscipe
***Chant — Qui sedes
7. Organ — Quoniam tu solus sanctus
***Chant — Tu solus Dominus
8. Organ — Tu solus Altissimus
***Chant — Cum Sancto Spiritu
9. Organ — Amen

Do you have a different number of versets, or different divisions?

Also, HERE is a CD that I found through Naxos which looks like it follows these divisions.