Exsultet
  • noel jones, aagonoel jones, aago
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    No one is going to complain about using an LED light to read the music as well?

    The standards are dropping here.

    It remains some do and some do not seem to understand and accept that they are working for a priest in a parish and not for the church. The church drew up the rules as a guideline for the priest to follow.

    If we follow them or attempt to promote the use of them we are endangering our employment. Like a real job. Strictly working within and under the chain of command. Like a real job.
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  • ClergetKubiszClergetKubisz
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    CANDLES ONLY! USING ELECTRIC LIGHTS IS OUTRAGE!!
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  • Adam WoodAdam Wood
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  • M. Jackson Osborn
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    Um, Clerget - why the, uh, purple?
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  • lmassery
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    This long thread in response to a simple question is an example of why I'm afraid to post questions on this forum. Does every simple request have to be met with arguments or can we just try to be helpful?
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  • matthewjmatthewj
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    It's a discussion forum. If a thread brings about discussion that's a good thing.
  • lmassery
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    No, not always a good thing if it obscures the intent of the original poster.
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  • M. Jackson Osborn
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    ...the rules...guidelines...

    This would appear to me to be an oxymoron... certainly what some might call a 'disconnect'.

    The Church's rules are 'rules'.
    They are not 'guidelines'.
    They are rules.
    Rules are to be obeyed explicitly.
    Guidelines are indistinct suggestions or parameters for decision making or courses of action.

    And, a third category: 'Duplicity'
    Duplicity is the 'interpretation' of a Rule as a Guideline.
    Of course, it goes without saying that a Guideline is never interpreted as a Rule.

    Of Rules, Guidelines, and Duplicity, Duplicity is far the most prevalent.

    Example -
    Rule: Chant is to be preserved.
    Guideline: Another apt song may be sung.
    Duplicity: Another apt song is preferred to chant.
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  • CharlesW
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    I'm used to it by now. You should try posting on an Eastern forum, it's much worse. LOL. Here, you just get reminded of how it wasn't that way before Vatican II, as if that is relevant to what you are asking in the first place. Then someone goes off into some liturgical accessory that is not being properly used or respected. After that, the translation you are using is suspect since it was formulated wrong and the music is not worthy.

    Eastern forums: You obviously are not a Christian of the True Faith or you would know that Metropolitan Barsanuphius of Minsk decreed that as heresy and worthy of eternal flames. Further, you are not worthy of associating with genuine believers.

    Of course, there is never anything wrong with real discussion.
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  • M. Jackson Osborn
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    What, Charles, are examples of Eastern fora? They sound interesting.

    And, this really doesn't obsure the 'original poster's' question.
    Not at all.
    Isn't Charles' point that all True Light for singing the Exsultet comes from the East?
  • CharlesW
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    Isn't Charles' point that all True Light for singing the Exsultet comes from the East?


    That is traditionally the direction from which the "True Light," Christ, will return to earth.
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  • Chris Garton-Zavesky
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    Ad Orientem!

    To LMassery's point: sometimes questions are simple and can be answered simply; sometimes questions take for granted assumptions which may or may not be warranted; sometimes questions lead to a wider discussion which can be good (and can be down-right annoying); sometimes a question can have been answered already or be already considered by our gracious host to be "off the reservation" - though he usually phrases it as "beyond the scope of this forum" --; finally, on some occasions a respondant is in a quirky mood and send the discussion off on a wild tangent.
  • Liam
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    Wild tangents are within bounds, but wild cosecants are right out.
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  • CHGiffenCHGiffen
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    But a hyperbolic sine is a sinh (prounounced "cinch").



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  • M. Jackson Osborn
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    Chuck!
    Really, now!
    That's sooo tangential.
  • bhcordovabhcordova
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    Hey! A fellow math nerd!!!!
  • mdpetrella
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    I apologize for reviving this thread ... I am wondering where, specifically, to find written reference(s) to both the history of the Exsultet (original "author", plus subsequent changes throughout it's history), and to the rubrics regarding all, but not limited to, the following: is choral or musical accompaniment absolutely forbidden and why?

    Thanks in advance ... Mario DMM - RC Church of St Helena CT USA
  • eft94530eft94530
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    http://lmgtfy.com/?q=exultet+history
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  • a_f_hawkins
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    Best sources are probably in the works of Paul F Bradshaw, or Josef A Jungmann SJ.
    Some fragments here, and here.
    Choral rendering is as inappropriate as it would be for the preface and canon (or the readings chanted by the deacon). I think Dom Gassner's analysis of the structure and character of the Exsultet (the second item referenced above) show why. [Dom Gassner is writing about the pre-1955 rite]
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