Roman gradual, 1763, Lyons, France
  • rubashov
    Posts: 2
    My name is Kevin, I am a hymnal collector from Texas.

    I recently acquired a Roman gradual, published in Lyons, France, in 1763. Here is a link to some pictures:

    Roman gradual 1763

    I have been trying to find more information about this book online. One interesting site I found is this one:

    Ensemble de 2 livres : antiphonaire, psautier

    That site shows pictures of a Psalter and antiphonal from collegiale Saint-Aubin in Guérande that appear to be a close match for this gradual.

    I have a few questions I am hoping someone here can help with:

    1. Is there any way to prove that this gradual is originally from Saint-Aubin, as linked above?

    2. More generally, is there any way to know where exactly this gradual is from?

    3. How many copies of this edition were published, and if there are other copies of this edition of the gradual, where are they located?

    4. What is the purpose of the metal spikes on the front of the book, and do they tell us anything about its origin?

    5. Approximately how much is this gradual worth?

    Thanks for your help.
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  • WGS
    Posts: 300
    I'm guessing that the "metal spikes" were part of a latching mechanism intended to bind the back cover to the front. Obviously, but not surprisingly, the other half of the mechanism is missing after these many years. This reminds me of the latching mechanism on my family Bible from the late 19th century. - similarly with "spikes" but again missing the other half of the latches.
  • Arthur Connick
    Posts: 496
    There are at least 2 Graduales published by de la Roche on Google Books, both for the diocese of Lyon (Lugdunensis), dated 1771 and 1780. But I suspect your Graduale is not for the Lyon usage because the melody and text for the Introit for the 1st Sunday of Advent in one of your photos is not the same as the Introit for Lyon.

    https://books.google.com/books?id=vwtkuvGmCrEC&source=gbs_navlinks_s
    http://books.google.com/books?id=a6UsOwZ3cy8C&source=gbs_navlinks_s

    In the back of the book in the second link, de la Roche has an advertisement for several editions of the Graduale for Lyons. It doesn't surprise me that they would have published editions for other diocese as well.
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  • ClergetKubiszClergetKubisz
    Posts: 1,912
    That is so cool! Thank you for sharing!!
  • rubashov
    Posts: 2
    Thanks to all of you for your helpful comments. I wanted to address them and give you an update on my research into this book.

    It is possible, as WGS suggests, that the "metal spikes" on the front were part of a latching mechanism. However, I now believe that they are "bosses," or "brass bosses," which are metal attachments designed to protect the book's binding by preventing it from opening all the way. They were originally on the back cover as well, but perhaps removed because of the annoyance of having a book that won't lay flat on a surface.

    WorldCat lists several copies of the 1763 version of this gradual at libraries in Europe. Here is one example:

    Bibliothèque de Genève

    I have yet to find the full text of the 1763 version online, but it seems likely that these will match the one I have.

    As for the original location of the book, there is a handwritten note at the front of the gradual which says "Antiphonaire fin 17ème, region Chaumont[,] H[au]te-Marne," indicating that the book is from Chaumont, in the Haute-Marne département, Champagne-Ardennes region. When I posted previously I hadn't figured out what the note said, but it now seems likely that the book is from Chaumont, rather than Guérande. A possible original location would then be the Basilique Saint-Jean-Baptiste de Chaumont, which has a long history, and is home to several similar antiphonals.

    If anyone has additional insight about this book, or ideas about how to more precisely identify its origin and history, please let me know. Thanks again for your help.
  • mahrt
    Posts: 517
    I would look at Theodore Carp, An Introduction to the Post-Tridentine Mass Proper, 2 vols. (Middleton, Wisc.; American Institute of Musicology, 2005). He lists one Lyon Graduale from 1763. What is so interesting about this book is that it documents that during the whole post-Tridentine period, there was an active cultivation of chant, shown by the proliferation of published graduals. Moreover, they show that the Medicean Gradual published after the Council of Trent was by no means normative.
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