Gregorian Chant Notebooks
  • Adam WoodAdam Wood
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    Just out of curiosity.

    If someone were to create Moleskin-style music notebooks with 4-line staves, would anyone here buy them?
    Would anyone buy them on a continuing basis after the novelty of the first one wore off?
    Are there colleges, school programs, or colloquia where this would get purchased in bulk?
    Would people who run children's choirs get them for their kids?


    Assume cost is the same as a Moleskin 5-line music notebook.
    I would think the 6x9ish size.

  • SalieriSalieri
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    I would think that such a notebook would be handy for taking notes at colloquia or other chant workshops, or even drafting something before putting it into Gregorio. But, one never knows...
  • Though not Moleskine, at least as I understand the term, years ago we were required to buy 4-line staff notebooks in Theodore Marier's chant class at CUA. The notebooks were very useful for written exercises - particularly for learning the various kinds of neumes.

    But to be honest, I never used or referred to the notebooks again.



  • irishtenoririshtenor
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    Something like this...

    http://www.frogmusic.com/ccc/gregorian-chant-staff-noteb.html

    ?

    EDIT: Ack, that link isn't working.
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  • chonakchonak
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    Can you click on that link to see if it works? (Hint.)
  • bhcordovabhcordova
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    I would buy 4-line manuscript paper, either in a tear-off style tablet (like graph paper or engineering paper comes in) or individual sheets. I'm not sure about a notebook. I'll have to think about that.
  • Adam WoodAdam Wood
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    That booklet that Noel put together is paperback, and not on journal-style paper.
    This is how it is when you do print-on-demand things.

    But I got some quotes from manufacturers a while ago on nice, journal-style books.

    Here is what Moleskine has for conventional 5-line music:

    http://www.moleskine.com/en/collections/model/product/music-notebook-lar-1


    I am just wondering if anyone thinks that a similar product in a four-line version would be helpful to anyone. Or what about spiral bound, like those cheapo music notebooks we all got for undergrad theory?
  • I would love to buy it, but I don't know if I could convince my financial advisor, I mean wife.
  • JulieCollJulieColl
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    This is very interesting. At our children's schola chant lesson today, I was thinking how extremely handy it would be to have a four-line notebook for the children to copy the neumes from the board and to do assignments. Please count me in if you ever get these made!
  • JulieCollJulieColl
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    P.S. Just a suggestion, but if these ever become a reality, bigger is better when it comes to children (and most adults!) and a key to the more common Gregorian chant notation symbols and figures might be nice to have on the inside front cover, as well as the modal scales.
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  • SalieriSalieri
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    Perhaps it'd be better not to have something as 'permanent' as you are describing, Adam--perhaps something like the spiral-bound Archives MS books might be better?
  • aria
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    I'd buy a cheap version (Moleskine style is too pricey for my preferences). The sprial bound things bug me though- I'd prefer something more like a composition notebook (http://www.amazon.com/Mead-Composition-Notebook-Sheets-09910/dp/B0028N6PSS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1423842238&sr=8-1&keywords=bulk+composition+books). I don't really compose music, though, so I wouldn't need a lot of these... I'd get at least one, esp. if it had helpful info in the cover as JulieColl describes. And I can absolutely see children's choirs using them.
  • I took the same class with Dr Marier that Randolph Nichols did. Marier's comment that really stuck with me: When you are learning to read, you learn to write at the same time. You just do.

    Every day's homework included copying out a chant from the Kyriale that we had worked on in class. (We used felt-tip, squared-off calligraphy pens). There were also times in class when we just wrote lines of DO clefs, FA clefs, podatus, clivis, etc. Just like in first grade (I was 40 at the time). It was a bit of a chore, but after the fact, I'm glad to have done it.

    It would be an important part of a class, and especially beneficial for children, I think.
    (Randolph, it looks like you're in for more snow--thinking warm thoughts--here in DC it's 22 degrees right now!)
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  • Link to: Braille Notebook

    Don't forget to use the code on the right of the page for a 40% discount.
    Thanked by 2JulieColl bhcordova
  • JulieCollJulieColl
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    Thanks for this, Noel. This looks great, and thanks for the tip about the markers, David S.!
  • WGS
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    This was mentioned a year or two ago in another string of comments, but with a couple of tedious minutes of shift and underline along with copy and paste, you can make your own chant ledger paper.

    and, Randolph and David, I too have my chant ledger notebook leftover from Dr. Marier's Gregorian Chant Practicum.
  • bhcordovabhcordova
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    Since I'm left handed, I really don't like the spiral bound notebooks.
  • matthewjmatthewj
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  • kevinfkevinf
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    I have unlined Clairfontaine paper that I print chant lines upon. I bought the paper in France. I also use an old Parker Vacumatic fountain pen that has a stub nib. Makes great chant notation. I actually prefer doing that and making copies rather than doing it on the computer. Call me a Luddite but it is more satisfying.

    And I too took a class from Dr. Marier and was asked to copy neumes. Not fun at the time but now I know them reasonably well.
  • donr
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    I might purchase something like this for my beginners chant class that I have every year. Maybe 4 or 5 copies a year would be the max.