PGA, I'm in total agreement. If you knew me, my friends, and fights I've had with fellow Catholics you'd know that.

What I object to- what I find almost laughingly stupid- is theming a mass on a deadly sin. Pride is wrong, no matter one's sexual orientation. Christians do not celebrate pride anymore than they celebrate sloth or envy, etc.

Thread drift, farther off field than the Malaysian flight 303. Danger Will Robinson.

Musica Sacra Forum- isn't the "Sacra" part of that subjective to just the Musica? So, do we really need to go "there" about "people?" Not trying to censure, stifle, whatever...just saying.....

Melo, yes it's an incredible drift!
As for my part in the sled ride, I commented on the idiocy of a pride mass because I feel Julie is justifiably upset that a faithful parish might be closed while a nearby parish that hosts a pride mass would remain open.
Yeah, I totally get her point. It's seemingly scandalous.


Julie, I'm doubling down on prayers that Holy Innocents will be allowed to continue to thrive. Also for the situation for Fr. Wylie. I do hope he might appeal the decision, and that peace can be made ASAP.

I don't want to extend this painful subject, but things just got even more convoluted in the Archdiocese of New York. It would appear that six blocks away from Holy Innocents where those parishioners are preparing themselves for the closure and probable demolition of their beloved church, the parishioners at St. Francis of Assisi on West 31st St. are preparing for this celebration.

Ironically, back in March/April, the Archdiocese came up with the recommendation that Holy Innocents and St. John the Baptist (run by the Capuchin Franciscans) be merged into St. Francis of Assisi. Since then, other proposals have been put forth. In November, the Archdiocese will announce its final decisions.

In any case, I just looked at the web page of St. Francis of Assisi and notice that the Director of LGBT Ministry is also the Director of Music there. Many years ago, St. Francis had a decent music program. It was this current Director of Music who destroyed everything, replacing good sacred music with cocktail music, and with speakers turned way up that the sound is painful to listen to. Here is an example of bad liturgy and bad music going hand in hand.

Dear Dad,

I don't think the fact that Fr. Wylie has been assigned to a parish to Thokoza (a violent shanty town in South Africa) as per Matt Abbott's article here is necessarily any indication that he has any particular issues as you seem to be saying, if I understand you correctly. It would seem he's in good company. After all, rumor has it that a preeminent conservative American cardinal is to be sent packing to the Roman equivalent of Timbuktu for no apparent reason, and I just read about the high-profile dismissal of a conservative South American bishop who claims he is the victim of "ideological persecution."

Considering the current ecclesiastical climate and the increasing tension between ideological/theological viewpoints, it's only fair to wonder if politics instead of justice is the underlying motive in some of these rapid "re-assignments."

Yes, I can feel the years dropping away even though Dad29 is probably much younger than this old mother hen. : )

Yes, but the fact that Fr. Wylie was banished from the NY Archdiocese immediately after his straightforward sermon at Holy Innocents could lead a reasonable person to assume that the two events were related; his subsequent assignment to a part of South Africa where 47 murders/day is the norm does not change my impression at least that he is probably being sanctioned for his outspoken defense of traditional-minded Catholics. Of course, I can't prove that this is the case, and I hope it isn't the case, but that's what it looks like to me.

I've been following the case of Archbishop Livieres for a while, and it's quite complex. I think it's far too early to say definitively that his removal was an act of justice, esp. since the Archbishop has given a lengthy rebuttal to the accusations about Fr. Urritigoity on his diocesan website here. and claims, among other things that the priest in question came highly recommended by several cardinals, including Card. Ratzinger himself before he became Pope.

One of Arbp. Livieres' sharpest critics, a former Catholic bishop who is now a Senator, has said recently that the Archbishop's dismissal was not because of Fr. Urritiguity:

What Livieres is being blamed for, "and what I also have criticized him for," said Lugo, was the fact that he had not contributed "to the unity of the Church" in Paraguay.

Far be it from little ol' me to unravel all of this, but one can't be blamed for trying to find a pattern and possible rationale behind these strange developments.

Thanks for this Chonak. I didn't know about the intervention of the SSPX in this case. Oh my gosh. What a mess.

Breitbart article here on the current situation of Fr. Justin Wylie after his fateful sermon at Holy Innocents Church in Manhattan last spring.

Be sure to check out the undated video of a festive Mass at his new church. To go from living in a palatial embassy in Manhattan to a windowless delapidated shack, and from the glorious TLM's at St. Agnes and Holy Innocents to this liturgy requires quite an adjustment for anyone, I would imagine.