a_f_hawkins

Before GS gets round to the the propers, it includes the common and the ordinary chants in simple settings. These items are, helpfully, numbered as in a hymn book. There are five Glorias among the su…

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There is the Graduale Simplex a simple setting of the Propers, and officially provided for this purpose.
If you find the presentation in the book confusing, note that the

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Dom Janssens—with his eye toward the common practices of present-day liturgy—on 8 September 1904 “suggested preparing an abridged edition” for smaller churches [Combe p292]. Indeed, at the suggestion…

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To return to my point about liturgical education - on the recomendation by Bishop A Schneider in a podcast (around 13:00) here I have acquiredA WIDER VIEW o

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TLMlover - I disagree about nature of the 'disaster'. True there is a fundamental break from the SRC policy in the VO, but setting up an organisation to police the rubrics was not part of t…

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In every small English Parish church they checked it was normal to have a High Sarum Mass on every Sunday and every Feast. @tomjaw that sounds interesting. Who are 'they', and when did the…

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MatthewRoth - maybe just an Anglo-Saxon thing, but,
Fortescue 'Ceremonies...' Second Edition New Impression 1920 p.41 Although High Mass, historically, is the original rite, so that …

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Roborgelmeister - very true, to the point where I have had people argue, falsely, that it was not allowed. I recall being surprised in the mid 50s when a parishioner presented herself at 11 o'c…

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As for 'doing the incipits', I see nothing in the Liturgia Horarum or its translations to suggest breaking off the beginning of an antiphon as a separate thing. The antiphon occurs only in …

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FKulash - The Instructions (GILH) can be found here, but they provide for every use of the L

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What it says about participation depends on your answer to @tomjaw's question the Church is full and so I stand outside, am I in some way not participating in the Mass as much as someone inside …

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There is also the psychological effect of looking at the options and thinking 'what would I do?'. I know I would have a preference for the Confiteor in Lent.

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Abbysmum - certainly individuals silently using their rosaries was common, and endorsed by Pius XII (can't be bothered to find reference), I didn't mind if they were not obstructing me. But…

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My Sext today dedicated to KG.

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aren’t we supposed to believe and promote the notion that Catholics need not communion at every Mass?No, I agree with the Council of Trent, and with several Pontiffs that while it is not necessary it…

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FSSPmusic has posted what the OP asked for, Marier HP&SC has different words.
Fr Gainget supplied 120 verses in French, there is an abundance of text to choose from.
https://gallica…

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The First Nowell appears in the Westminster Hymnal (1940), attribution : Old English Traditional

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To point 3 - this was a deliberate response to VII calling for a wider selection of biblical texts. In the case of the Communion antiphon, there is generally a choice, one based on the traditional se…

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{I did post in purple}
Yes the rubrics are ambiguous, and those in the official musical sources, GR and GS, are not identical with lectionary. However, GS indicates that in general verses may …

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I am SHOCKED that you should call for ignoring a liturgical directive.

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You have to hover over the draft.

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You can see the mode 8 chant, here marked D, on p.16 of the current (1973) Graduale Romanum.
The ubiquity of the mode 6 triple alleluia is in response toc) The Acclamation Before the Reading o…

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From a 2009 thread https://forum.musicasacra.com/forum/discussion/1880/gregorian-psalmody/p1 a useful article by Bruce E Ford (3rd post) includes But five other patterns that are anomalous in Latin o…

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From the mid 70s for about a decade I went regularly to Sunday Morning Prayer at Westminster Cathedral, and often EPI on Saturday, both of which were in English and congregational using Bevenot tones…

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Surely in English it should be 'I rejoiced when I heard them say, ...' It shows the difficulty of applying Gregorian tones to accented English.

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We live in a gratuitously noisy world. But even ancient Rome had laws against carts on the streets at night, it's the world not just 'modern man'.

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ServiamScores You can see a few pages here :- https://issuu.com/catholictruthsociety/docs/b._divine_worship_sunday_missal-peo?fr=sNmQyOTEyNjY2MA

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Looking at what has been done to Taize chants over the last 40 years, I am inclined to repent having mentioned them. This was music for pilgrims resting on a French hillside in contemplation of the p…

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... the NO which provides only for a responsorial psalm and the alleluia-verse.Agreed, the NO Missal does not provide other sung propers, but GIRM contains the general rubrics and repeatedly refers …

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The Graduale Simplex was developed (1967) along with the initial thinking about the Propers for the NO. So the praenotanda and rubrics of the 1975 edition are relevant. Very helpfully the first Mass …

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Bugnini mentions a Proprium Simplex of 1962 as showing the need [Bugnini 'Reform' p.121 footnote] but this seems more like Rossini Propers in German : https://www.ccwatershed.org/2014/05/19…

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Lars - I recall that the forum software has problems automatically recognising a link with brackets in it, and some other characters such as space. I get round that by typing a word such as here, hig…

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