smvanroode

Legal Letters from the USCCB
That website of De Tiltenberg presents the Dutch liturgical texts illegally. The concordat cum editione approbata doesn’t function as a permit to publish texts that are protected by copyright. There is a complex legal dispute about that website, be…

Comment by smvanroode November 18 permalink
Roman Canon, notated in Latin
See the attached pdf for the notated Canon Romanus from the 2008 Missale Romanum.

Comment by smvanroode November 8 permalink
Jean de Brebeuf Hymnal availability in Europe?
I do have it, but I can’t recall how it got delivered to the Netherlands… I share the same criticism. It has some beautiful hymn melodies, new or unknown. I love those. But its presentation doesn’t really fit with an intended use in the pews. The c…

Comment by smvanroode September 29 permalink
wedding antiphons and psalms from the Graduale Simplex
I think it was this discussion: https://forum.musicasacra.com/forum/discussion/comment/263920#Comment_263920

Comment by smvanroode September 24 permalink
Pater Noster in square notation complete with Embolism?
See the attached. Two separate files with the Pater noster and Quia tuum.

Comment by smvanroode September 24 permalink
who asked me to comment on a Graduale Simplex issue?
The difference between de 1962 Proprium Simplex and the 1967 Graduale Simplex is that the 1962 edition uses a set of simple melodic formulas, but retains the texts of the propers, while the Graduale Simplex uses a reduced set of seasonal propers, bu…

Comment by smvanroode September 23 permalink
searchable database for readings and propers
See the attached .xlsx file for a database of all readings and propers for Sundays and feasts that can replace a Sunday, which I extracted from a larger database I have. There’s a downside, however: it’s in Dutch… The readings for the Easter Vigil …

Comment by smvanroode September 18 permalink
Music for Rite of Baptism
Also a must read: Johan te Velde, ‘What problems did the liturgical reform intend to remedy’. Questions Liturgique 98 (2017), 81-101 Just stumbled on this article and it immediately reminded me of our discussion here. There’s a lot to unpack here…

Comment by smvanroode September 17 permalink
Music for Rite of Baptism
“The Rite” is that which is founded on the rock of venerable tradition… The Rites develop slowly over time and are guarded with a passion We should also talk about what we mean by ‘tradition’, then. For some, it’s a given, a fixed heritage from the…

Comment by smvanroode September 16 permalink
Music for Rite of Baptism
To me, a rite is the interplay of texts, prayers, chants, and gestures that allow the celebration of a sacrament. It is not an end in itself, but a means by which the participating community is transformed, transfigured. This transformation, a divin…

Comment by smvanroode September 13 permalink
Generic or Seasonal Communion Antiphons?
I’m sorry, I forgot to quote the direction on page 13 of the Graduale Romanum. It’s on the title page of the Proprium de tempore and says: In omnis Missis de Tempore eligi potest pro opportunitate, loco cuiusvis cantus diei proprii, alius ex eodem …

Comment by smvanroode September 12 permalink
Music for Rite of Baptism
we need solid, traditionally-grounded definitions of fundamental terms to get anywhere Agreed, because we are just talking past each other, as a_f_hawkins noted earlier. At least, we should know how someone understands certain words and terms. Let’…

Comment by smvanroode September 12 permalink
Music for Rite of Baptism
Please keep in mind that the reading from Scripture is a general liturgical principle, that is also applied to blessings, for example. It is a general norm that should be observed according to Sacrosanctum Concilium: 24. Sacred scripture is of the …

Comment by smvanroode September 12 permalink
Generic or Seasonal Communion Antiphons?
I recommend establishing firmly in everyone's minds from the start that seasonal antiphons are interim while you work toward having the skill to execute the communion proper to each Sunday. And keep in mind that the Graduale Romanum itself pro…

Comment by smvanroode September 12 permalink
Nuptial Mass propers
Here’s a list of recordings from the Graduale Romanum: IN Deus in loco sancto IN Domine, refugium factus es nobis GR Timete Dominum, omnes sancti eis GR Uxor tua AL Mittat vobis OF Immittet angelus Domini OF In te speravi, Domine CO Beati mund…

Comment by smvanroode September 8 permalink
Generic or Seasonal Communion Antiphons?
The 1974 Graduale Romanum has generic Communion antiphons that can always replace the proper of the day. See this list in the Ordo Cantus Missae, p. 74. The 1975 Graduale simplex had seasonal Communion antiphons that can be sung throughout an entir…

Comment by smvanroode September 7 permalink
bad rhythm in a Solesmes edition
It took me a while before I understood the actual problem you’re trying to explain. To sum up, it is about two antiphons, ‘Sancti tui…sicut lilium’ (CAO 4736) and ‘Tu honorificentia’ (neo-Gregorian?), and more specifically the rendering of ‘erunt’ a…

Comment by smvanroode September 7 permalink
About the Commune Sanctorum for Mass
Interesting question! I can only answer for the current liturgical books. On the General Calendar there are only about seven ‘virgin and martyrs’, most of whom have already proper chants assigned to them. All other ‘virgin and martyrs’ must be on l…

Comment by smvanroode September 4 permalink
All Souls on a Sunday - Gloria and Credo
Here in the Netherlands, the ordo of the Conference of Bishops indicates that there is no Gloria and no Credo on November 2, even if it falls on a Sunday. The preferred color is purple.

Comment by smvanroode September 2 permalink
Question: What is "true" Gregorian chant? Solesmes vs. Roman
There is no ‘correct’ way to sing Gregorian Chant. The chants as we know them today, whether from the Solesmes editions, from the Graduale Novum or the Liber Gradualis, are nothing more than historical reconstructions based on and interpretations of…

Comment by smvanroode September 2 permalink
All Souls on a Sunday - Gloria and Credo
Peter Eliott is silent about the Gloria and Creed. Edward McNamara agrees that there is no Creed on Alls Souls if it falls on a Sunday: Effectively, this celebration is in a class of its own. It is not a feast as such, since it intercedes for, rath…

Comment by smvanroode September 1 permalink
Music for Rite of Baptism
I feel like we’re going around in circles. It is only when you take the mere essentials of the conferral of the sacrament as your starting point that you can conclude that the singing of the community is ‘extrinsic to the rite’, ‘non-essential’, ‘in…

Comment by smvanroode August 31 permalink
Music for Rite of Baptism
Sure, my wording of the two points of view was probably a bit too simplistic and missing necessary nuances. Thank you for cordially pointing that out. ‘Active participation is impeded by the nature of the rite…’; ‘…which itself is not being sung an…

Comment by smvanroode August 30 permalink
Music for Rite of Baptism
It took me some time to realize, but there is no right or wrong here. There are however two quite different (one might say: opposing) points of view that differ in how one thinks about the nature of the liturgy, sacramental efficiency and ecclesiolo…

Comment by smvanroode August 30 permalink
Music for Rite of Baptism
You twisted that very important point. It wasn’t my intention to twist your point. I just wasn’t aware of your distinction between the rite and the celebration of Baptism. For you it’s important, obviously; for me however, not so. The Prænotanda m…

Comment by smvanroode August 29 permalink
Music for Rite of Baptism
‘Nothing in the rite itself should be sung.’ Really? The 1976 Latin editio typica altera of the Ordo Baptismi parvulorum is very clear about the use of music and song during the Rite of Baptism: Cum Baptismi celebratio plurimum adiumenti a cantu ac…

Comment by smvanroode August 29 permalink
Parallel Latin - English Ordinary of the Mass (OF Novus Ordo)
Here you are!

Comment by smvanroode August 28 permalink
Antiphonale Romanum (2009) question
This must be a neo-gregorian composition then. It’s not mentioned in the 2015 Ordo Cantus Officii, nor does it appear in any recent chant book.

Comment by smvanroode August 23 permalink
History of the Graduale Simplex
Eckhard Jaschinski's Musica sacra oder Musik im Gottesdienst? (Regensburg, Verlag Friedrich Pustet, 1990) gives some information about the genesis of the Graduale Simplex. But I'm sure Paul Ford might have some other valuable references.

Comment by smvanroode August 15 permalink
Observing Solemnities on Sundays in Ordinary Time
Back to the NO, to which the question applies. The Latin text is: Ad bonum pastorale fidelium procurandum, in dominicis per annum, licet eas celebrationes agere, quae infra hebdomadam occurrunt, quaeque ipsorum fidelium pietati sunt acceptae, dummo…

Comment by smvanroode August 2 permalink

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