Ordinary for Advent in the EF
  • Scott_WScott_W
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    According to http://www.gregorianbooks.com/gregorian_books.html it's Mass XVII and Credo IV. Sound right?
  • matthewjmatthewj
    Posts: 2,700
    Yes. OF too.

    Well - actually on second thought I'd never heard of settings of the Credo being associated with seasons. I could just be ignorant.

    But XVII definitely yes.
  • Jacques PerrièreJacques Perrière
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    Yeaah... Sorry for that, the table was written 3 years ago, I was still learning about chant. Maybe the table needs an update. It was copied from this page http://antoinedanielmass.org/kyriale/ ... which was absorbed by CCWatershed but they have a screenshot of the old page (which graphically looked very nice), see: http://www.ccwatershed.org/media/photologue/photos/452_antoine_Daniel_old_Site_003.jpg

    Don't think we ever sang Credo IV. We sing Credo III in Advent. And Mass XVII yes. There are two Kyrie XVII, probably you know the second one best.
  • hartleymartin
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    I thought there were 3 kyrie in mass xvii. I recall singing option C. The different settings of the credo wre ad libitum as far as I know. I prefer credo i.

    Mass xviii for the weekdays of advent.
  • tomjaw
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    @ hartleymartin

    In more modern books three Kyrie can be found for Mass XVII, and two for Mass XI... etc.

    If you look you will see that a couple are very similar and the dating of them implies that there is an older and newer version.

    In the Older books the three / two different Kyrie are still included, but the older versions are found in the Ad lib. section, not with the rest of the Mass.

    Anyway we sing Credo II during Lent / Advent, as it sounds less joyful, than the others.
  • Arthur Connick
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    In the 1908 Graduale Romanum, the following note was inserted after the four versions of the Credo:

    "This Ordinary is NOT meant to be a matter of hard and fast rule: chants from one Mass may be used together with those from others, the Ferial Masses excepted. In the same way, in order to add greater solemnity, one or more of the following “Chants ad libitum” may be employed." (translation from Liber Usualis.)

    I'm not recommending singing something besides Mass 17, but people should know that there isn't a rule requiring it. Also, sacred polyphony is always allowed, regardless of season.
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