Hymn Tune Introit for Assumption?
  • fp
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    We used the Hymn Tune Introits (K. Pluth) very succesfully this past Advent. I would like to use more during the Year and especially on weekdays when the choir is not singing. Any source for Assumption? (The Propers are great and available....but we're not there yet!)
    Thanks for all your help!
    FP
  • Kathy
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    Here's one for the Vigil:

    O Mary, lifted high today
    Above the angel choirs' array
    In Christ's eternal victory,
    Most glorious things are said of thee!

    And for the Feast:

    Rejoice in God and celebrate
    This feast of Mary's triumph great
    At whose Assumption angels raise
    To God the Son glad songs of praise.



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  • fp
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    Thanky you so much!!! This is going to be very helpful!
    FP
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  • Kathy
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    Alternate antiphon for the Feast:

    A great sign in the sky was seen:
    A woman with the sun arrayed.
    The moon was laid beneath her feet;
    A crown of twelve stars on her head.
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  • Chris Garton-Zavesky
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    I know they're an "option", but can someone please give me a rationale for why we should prefer to use these, especially if we already have a scola which can sing the assigned propers?

  • Kathy
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    if we already have a scola which can sing the assigned propers?

    You shouldn't even consider using these in such a case. This is simply a bridge project, for those who cannot sing propers in any other way.
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  • ronkrisman
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    For those who cannot sing propers, the GIRM allows for other options. A bridge is not one of them.
  • Kathy
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    Actually I've never been sure which of the four options these fall under. But since option 4 can include Sing a New Church into Being, surely that's a loose enough category to allow just about anything.
  • ronkrisman
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    surely that's a loose enough category to allow just about anything.

    I would agree that it falls under option 4 if it has received ecclesiastical approval. But "just about anything is allowed" is not what the GIRM says. Everything sung must still receive doctrinal review, even if it is by a single diocesan bishop (of the place of publication). And substitutions for the propers are permitted only if SC 116's "ceteris paribus" is not fulfilled.
  • Kathy
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    Fr. Krisman,

    In your pastoral work, do you completely and always disallow any music that hasn't been officially approved in its entirety?
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  • lmassery
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    well the GIRM option 1 says "or in another musical setting" for the antiphon. Why should we assume that metrical paraphrases don't count as "another musical setting?" Obvi the original antiphons are better, but even then I'm not sure that there is an official approved translation of them anyway. Maybe Kathy's texts are like the platform to board the Hogwarts express... option 3-and-three-quarters.
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  • ronkrisman
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    Kathy, all of my parishes have used worship aids published with ecclesiastical approval. Even so, during the past 14 years I've been in Orlando (and not a pastor), I have had discussions with music directors about certain settings which I thought were inappropriate even though they have such ecclesiastical approval, things such as the John Angrisano setting of Psalm 63, which I think completely misses the character of the psalm text.

    That pertains to Masses in English. These days I preside mostly at Spanish Masses. None of the parishes uses a Spanish language hymnal or missalette. A lot of the music is from Puerto Rico. Three choirs compose their own responsorial psalms, all using the approved leccionario. Two parishes use slides for projecting the texts - nothing remarkable doctrinally about the texts, although the music is not always the best. I've taught one parish to chant the Lord's Prayer to the MR's solemn tone, even though it's not chanted when I am not there.
  • Jeffrey TuckerJeffrey Tucker
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    Kathy, you are really gifted, or talented, or something. I don't know how you do this stuff.
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  • fp
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    To cgz: we do not have a schola....just an aging garage band who usually forgets to show up for Holy days of obligations......this is the only opportunity I have to introduce parishioners to something closer to the liturgy...... and Kathy's texts are just beautiful!
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  • Kathy
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    Thanks, Jeffrey and fp. I credit my parents and Dr. Seuss for teaching me to rhyme.
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  • Adam WoodAdam Wood
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    I credit my parents and Dr. Seuss for teaching me to rhyme.

    Oh, the phrases you'll know!
  • Chris Garton-Zavesky
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    FP:

    Our poor little scola can sing the propers - if not always perfectly - and some polyphony. We're trying (this year) to finish learning the Byrd Mass for 3 voices. Gloria is well under way, and we will then start on the Credo. Everything else is already in place.

    What I was looking for - quite seriously - was a reason to sing hymn tune propers. Some people can't manage the Gregorian propers as written, so they use Recto Tono propers, or Rossini propers. Some people, seeing option 4 in the OF, don't want or feel any obligation to use either hymn tunes or propers, but this doesn't give a positive reason why one should sing "Sing a New Church into Being".

  • Kathy
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    I can't speak for fp, but I discuss the rationale for Hymn Tune Propers here.
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  • fp
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    cgz: you're a step ahead of us!....I wish we could have a little schola....prayers, prayers, prayers.....!
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