Memorare
  • scholistascholista
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    This link: http://forum.musicasacra.com/forum/uploads/FileUpload/c4/e16e2ab59522e3e0d1d94525e8dd41.pdf
    has Te Joseph.

    Is there a link for Memorare?
  • SkirpRSkirpR
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    From the above, Te Joseph appears to be a hymn, which is why it's set to chant. A quick glance at the Wikipedia page (for what it's worth) about the Memorare says it is a prayer whose current form was solidified in the 17th century. If that's all accurate, then I'm not sure there'd be a chant that would go with it.
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  • jpal
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    This and this might be helpful.
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  • scholistascholista
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    I know it exists in the Cantus Mariales, but I was looking for a copy that wasn't just a scanned page from the book. Thanks!
  • SkirpRSkirpR
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    Cool. What's the origin of the melody?
  • tomjaw
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    It is also here on page 62.

    http://media.musicasacra.com/books/graduale_romano_seraphicum.pdf

    EDIT
    Sorry I grabbed the wrong link, here is a link to various versions of the companion volume to the above:

    http://archive.org/details/CantualeRomano-seraphicumParsIIi1922
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  • scholistascholista
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    I downloaded the pdf, but couldn't find the Memorare on the document p.62, the pdf p. 62 or in any of the indices. Help! What am I missing? Thanks!
  • CHGiffenCHGiffen
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    It is on pages (59-60) in the manuscript, which are PDF pages 61-62.

    It is also indexed in the Offertoria section of the Index Alphabeticus.
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  • scholistascholista
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    I see the Memoria eius in compositio..., but this is not the same chant I'm looking for. I was looking for the Memorae, O Piisima Virgo Maria...

    Since writing the above, I did find what I was looking for at:

    http://petrucci.mus.auth.gr/imglnks/usimg/f/fc/IMSLP227745-WIMA.2e14-MEMORARE.pdf

    Thanks for pointing me to the Graduale Romano Serapicum!
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  • scholistascholista
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    Cool. What's the origin of the melody?

    Sorry, but I don't know anything about the tune...yet!
  • tomjaw
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    Here is a scan I dragged out of the .pdf. (See above for correct link.)

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  • SkirpRSkirpR
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    Sorry, but I don't know anything about the tune...yet!


    Just given that the origin of the prayer is so recent, someone must have composed or centonized this, rather than receiving it from tradition. Not that there's anything wrong with that to me - but if what I speculate is true, those conditions would likely keep it from ever finding its way into a modern Solesmes book.
  • tomjaw
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    Some notes on the melody etc.

    So far the oldest chant book this is found in is Cantus Mariales, 1903 (page 2). It is listed as an Antiphon, and has a melody in Mode 1.

    This book was written by J. Pothier, and I believe he created at least some of the melodies found therein. There are no references for this 'Antiphon' unlike other pieces.

    Another place this 'Antiphon' is found is on the website of 'Schola Gregoriana Mediolanensis, Giovanni Vianini' Here it is also described as an Antiphon, from "Ordine monastico Cistercense" This version is also in Mode 1, but has the Solesmes rhythmic markings and one minor difference in the melody on the Clivis of "Quem-quam..."

    The version I have posted above is to a different Melody this time in Mode 4. This can be found in the "Cantuale Romano-Seraphicum, Desclee, 1922"
    EDIT: Have just found this melody in "Cantus Selecti, 1957" pg. 173* Once again there are changes in the rhythmic markings including changes in the arrangement of the neumes and a minor change in the melody on the clivis of 'Saeculo...'

    A quick search for the Melody in the global chant database...
    http://www.globalchant.org/melody-search.php?melody=102030223235
    This suggests the mode 4 melody is in the Antiphonale Romanum, 1949... (From memory I believe that page 124* is in the section of chants for Benediction etc. I do not have my copy with me at the moment but can check next week when I am back home, sadly this book is not as far as I know Online).

    I cannot find this piece in the Cantus database...

    But more information can be found here;
    http://www.preces-latinae.org/thesaurus/BVM/Memorare.html

    and a recording of the Cistercian version:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id04vZ2rmFA

    The Mode 1 melody seem to be part of the Cistercian Divine Office, but I have no books to check where and when it was added. The Mode 4 melody, appears to be just a devotional piece, rather than a part of the Liturgy.

    Further study would need to be via the Cistercians, for the mode 1 melody, and I would suggest Solesmes would be the best place to go for more information about the mode 4 melody.
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