Is this Cirque de Soleil?
  • Kathy
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    Or World Youth Day?

    Mary Ann, it's time to take your chant camp bigtime.
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  • AP23AP23
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    Come join my post: http://forum.musicasacra.com/forum/discussion/9316/world-youth-day-opening-mass-july-23#Item_2
  • CHGiffenCHGiffen
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    Come join my post:
    Or come join this one. The title of this thread is so much better. LOL
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  • AP23AP23
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    OK. What's with the Gloria, the Alleluia, and the Great Amen? And in the Eucharistic prayer, what's with the Choir singing that thing over and over again?
  • JulieCollJulieColl
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    It really makes you wonder what they'll think of next. That's what worries me. Let's hope the spirit of one-upmanship doesn't take hold and they push the envelope even more.

    On the other hand, maybe that's the best thing since it will spiral out of control.

    If it's any consolation, as off-putting as the celebration in Rio is, there are still worse liturgies (Biker's Masses and Carnival Masses, to name a few) in Germany:

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    (Addendum: This is Fr. Roland Breitenbach, Schweinfurt, Germany. More info on this colorful character may be found here.
    If you ever doubt that Carnival Masses and Biker's Masses are ongoing, check out Cathcon.blogspot.com whose author, Christopher Gillibrand, has chronicled liturgical abuses in Germany and the Netherlands for years.)

    Speaking of circuses, check out this Catholic Carnival Mass in Wurzburg.
  • Caleferink
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    @AP23 I think the extra responses during the Eucharistic Prayer are approved adaptations in the Brazilian missal. I have seen them in the official papal missal for the Masses the Holy Father will celebrate there. Why they added them? I don't know, but it does appear at least to me to be legitimate for that country, at least.
  • ronkrisman
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    Julie, relax. The guy's obviously a Lutheran. He's wearing a wedding ring.
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  • JahazaJahaza
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    @ronkrisman, nope, it's the Roman Catholic priest Fr. Roland Breitenbach. Not endorsing everything the blog says, here's a report from 2005.
  • ronkrisman
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    Thanks, Jahaza, I stand corrected.
  • expeditus1
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    I had posted some other 2012 Brazilian videos on another thread (http://forum.musicasacra.com/forum/discussion/9265/ill-take-the-long-road-others-can-take-the...#Item_7), as a pre-WYD build-up. The circus title of this thread reminded me of another video from Brazil that gets interesting around the 3min., 30sec. mark:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEHvOxa51q4
  • chonakchonak
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    For the sake of our blood pressure, please post the dates and places with these outrage photos. The internet commentariat gives much too much importance to liturgical abuses that were committed several years ago nowhere near you or me.
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  • noel jones, aagonoel jones, aago
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    Married priests have been big in Germany since 1960's - I played for one who had been Methodist, then Catholic, went to seminary and the US bishops refused to ordain him - told him to find a bishop....and Frankfurt, with its thousands of English-speaking non-military became his family's new home. Nice guy.
  • expeditus1
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    I think that the mystery of where those interesting Brazilian videos that I posted above originated from, has been solved. Isn't this the same church at which Pope Francis celebrated Mass today - the Aparecida Shrine? Sure looks like it to me in the photos I just saw online. All 3 of the videos I had posted above are from separate days of a Solemn Novena which took place in Brazil in October, 2012, to beg graces from Mother Aparecida.

    The first video of the gaudy carnival float was presided over by Bishop Edson Taschetto (Tasquetto) Damian, the bishop of São Gabriel da Cachoeira, Amazonas. He was ordained bishop in 2009.

    The second video with the chains and blindfolds (minus "Thriller" Michael Jackson), has Archbishop José Belisario da Silva as the presider. Archbishop Jose Belisario Da Silva of Sao Luis do Maranhao, Brazil, was appointed archbishop on June 29, 2006.

    The third video with the carnival stilt-walkers, has Archbishop Murilo Ramos Krieger as the presider. He is Archbishop of Salvador (BA), and Primate of Brazil, since his appointment on 12 January 2011.
  • expeditus1
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    Always rely on Wikipedia! Here is their entry under the heading of "Basilica of the National Shrine of Our Lady of Aparecida: 'On the occasion of World Youth Day, Pope Francis visited the basilica on July 24, 2013, venerating the image of Our Lady of Aparecida and celebrating mass there.'

    The Basilica of the National Shrine of Our Lady Aparecida is a prominent Roman Rite Catholic basilica located in Aparecida, Brazil. It is dedicated to Our Lady Aparecida, (a variant of the Immaculate Conception) as the principal Patroness of Brazil. Its official title in Portuguese is Nossa Senhora da Conceição Aparecida, roughly translated as Our Lady of Conception Who Appeared. Since 2011, it has become the greatest Marian pilgrimage center in the world, ranking above Our Lady of Guadalupe and Our Lady of Lourdes.



  • KARU27
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    Maybe all the costumes and craziness are just a modern revival of the medieval "Feast of Fools" traditions.
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  • expeditus1
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    And so it very well could be, KARU27.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feast_of_Fools

    The article also made mention of a similar celebration called the Feast of the Ass. 'After the Introit a Latin prose was sung.' Here is a translation of the first stanza and refrain, to give an idea:

    "From the Eastern lands the Ass is come, beautiful and very brave, well fitted to bear burdens. Up! Sir Ass, and sing. Open your pretty mouth. Hay will be yours in plenty, and oats in abundance."

    'Mass was continued, and at its end, apparently without awakening the least consciousness of its impropriety, the following direction (in Latin) was observed:

    In fine Missae sacerdos, versus ad populum, vice 'Ite, Missa est', ter hinhannabit: populus vero, vice 'Deo Gratias', ter respondebit, 'Hinham, hinham, hinham.'

    Translation: 'At the end of Mass, the priest, having turned to the people, in lieu of saying the 'Ite missa est', will bray thrice; the people instead of replying 'Deo Gratias' say, 'Hinham, hinham, hinham.'
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