.To suggest that there is some sort of middle ground between the 19th century tradition and medieval practice is to create a Frankenstein chant hybrid* with no historical precedent
Remember that the Vatican and Solesmes editions were both prepared by Solesmes. It follows that the best method for interpreting them is the method set forth by their editors, viz the Solesmes method.
especially the part about it not coming from the angels directly to Gregory the Great.
Chant is a living medium and changes over time. It comes into fashion and falls out of fashion.
Yes? More info pls!
Renaissance Latin
Renaissance Latin is a name given to the Latin written during the European Renaissance in the 14th-16th centuries, particularly distinguished by the distinctive Latin style developed by the humanist movement.
Ad fontes was the general cry of the humanists, and as such their Latin style sought to purge Latin of the medieval Latin vocabulary and stylistic accretions that it had acquired in the centuries after the fall of the Roman Empire. They looked to Golden Age Latin literature, and especially to Cicero in prose and Virgil in poetry, as the arbiters of Latin style. They abandoned the use of the sequence and other accentual forms of metre, and sought instead to revive the Greek formats that were used in Latin poetry during the Roman period. The humanists condemned the large body of medieval Latin literature as "gothic" – for them, a term of abuse – and believed instead that only ancient Latin from the Roman period was "real Latin".
The humanists also sought to purge written Latin of medieval developments in its orthography. They insisted, for example, that ae be written out in full wherever it occurred in classical Latin; medieval scribes often wrote e instead of ae. They were much more zealous than medieval Latin writers in distinguishing t from c: because the effects of palatalization made them homophones, medieval scribes often wrote, for example, eciam for etiam. Their reforms even affected handwriting: humanists usually wrote Latin in a script derived from Carolingian minuscule, the ultimate ancestor of most contemporary lower-case typefaces, avoiding the black-letter scripts used in the Middle Ages. Erasmus even proposed that the then-traditional pronunciations of Latin be abolished in favour of his reconstructed version of classical Latin pronunciation.
The humanist plan to remake Latin was largely successful, at least in education. Schools now taught the humanistic spellings, and encouraged the study of the texts selected by the humanists, largely to the exclusion of later Latin literature. On the other hand, while humanist Latin was an elegant literary language, it became much harder to write books about law, medicine, science or contemporary politics in Latin while observing all of the humanists' norms of vocabulary purging and classical usage. Because humanist Latin lacked precise vocabulary to deal with modern issues, their reforms accelerated the transformation of Latin from a working language to an object of antiquarian study. Their attempts at literary work, especially poetry, often have a strong element of pastiche. Their efforts turned Latin from a classical, but still useful language into an extinct language. Latin vocabulary continued to be used by the creators of New Latin, but extensive discourses on contemporary subjects gradually ceased to be written in Latin during this period.
None of the variations outlined above is substantial or affects the mechanics of the language. They are all accidental changes, in things like lexical gravitation and esthetic approach: pure cosmetics, if you will.
literary Latin has remained essentially the same since the classical period.
you think that I'm weird, don't you?
Hmm! Those "Renaissance Latin" scholars sound about as self-righteous, arrogant, misinformed, and obnoxious as some of the modern day organ and chant scholars. Who would have thought?
and what Adam says
In fact, the Vatican edition was not prepared by Solesmes.
Why, for instance, should the second note of the salicus (represented in the mss. by the oriscus) be emphasized, rather than the note that follows it (which the semiologists judge to be more important)?
In editing the Solesmes editions Mocquereau did plenty of "picking and choosing" from among the many rhythmic indicators found in the manuscripts.
The "Solesmes Method" is itself an "unhistorical hybrid." Why does Incantu condone it while condemning other such hybrids?
I am not convinced that the version of a chant with the best manuscript pedigree is always the most satisfying. I wouldn't always choose the readings in the Graduale novum.
Most performances purportedly based on Cardine's teachings are hard to distinguish from Vollaerts-Murray-Blackley "proportional rhythm" performances. I have never heard a performance that conformed fully to Cardine's teaching.
...the degree to which the three values differ is very slight. The difference between a diminished syllabic beat and a syllabic beat is the difference in the time it takes to sing a syllable consisting of a vowel only and the time it takes to sing a syllable consisting of a consonant and a vowel.
I apologize for "going on," but I'll proceed to do so anyway.
What leads Incantu to say that according to the Mocquereau-Solesmes method the top note of the salicus "is already treated as long"? I cut my teeth on the method, and I am not aware that this it is.
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