FSSPX France demonstrates third degree of participation
  • JulieCollJulieColl
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    Rorate Caeli featured an article yesterday about the beautiful act of kindness of a diocesan bishop in France who allowed Bishop Fellay to celebrate a Requiem Mass in a diocesan church for a Society priest who had recently passed away. The accompanying video of the funeral Mass and burial rite was most fascinating.

    I want to make it perfectly clear that I am not a member of the SSPX and have no intention of joining them, but is it possible that, while we don't condone their extra-ecclesial attitudes, etc., we may actually have something very important to learn from them---namely the fact that they are among the very few who have ever realized the full potential of the first liturgical movement as outlined in the 1958 Instruction on Sacred Music and Sacred Liturgy (the organic development of which was "hijacked" by a handful of periti at the Second Vatican Council, as Cardinal Ratzinger, Dom Alcuin Reed et al., have suggested)?

    At any rate, I believe it's very instructive to watch carefully the video of excerpts of the Requiem for L'Abbe Langneau and see an entire congregation singing the propers at a traditional Solemn Latin Requiem Mass and at the grave site. Granted, there are a number of priests and nuns in the congregation who are no doubt well trained in Gregorian chant, but isn't this the ideal that some very good and dedicated people are striving for, in both forms of the Latin rite?

    I found this video incredibly powerful and moving, esp. when the parents of the deceased are given the aspergillum to sprinkle the casket. I've never seen that done before and was so touched by the custom. At the end, the entire congregation is also allowed to do the same.

    You don't think of funeral liturgies as being 'joyful' but this really did have a subdued kind of joy, and you can see how the rite itself teaches the correct Christian response to death and provides healing and catharsis for the bereaved.

    I say hats off to FSSPX France for leading the way in this area of the liturgy.

    Video may also be seen here.
  • It is not ideal for the lay congregation to sing the gregorian chant proper of the Mass. And the 1958 instruction was not the culmination of the "liturgical movement".
  • JulieCollJulieColl
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    Well, Arthur, all I can say is that everyone is free to have their own opinions about what is, or is not ideal, however, their opinions should be rooted in something more substantial than personal preference.

    If De musica sacra et sacra liturgia permits the lay faithful to sing the propers as is shown in the citation below, then on what basis can we suggest that it shouldn't be done?

    25. c) Thirdly, if those present are well trained in Gregorian chant, they can sing the parts of the Proper of the Mass.

    With Pope Pius XII, I'm not suggesting that this is the first step, but rather the final step in the three-step process he outlined in that document of teaching the people to fully actualize their participation in the sung Mass.

    P.S. I was reading more about L'Abbe Langneau whose Requiem Mass was shown in the video I mentioned above. The FSSPX France website, La Porte Latine, had this startling report of his death:

    Father Dominique Lagneau, priest of the Priestly Fraternity of Saint Pius X, Chaplain General of the Militia Mariae and upper House Notre Dame Montgardin, died suddenly of cardiac arrest on Sunday, May 12, 2013, at the foot of the monument commemorating the first appearance of the Holy Virgin Mary to Venerable Benedicta Rencurel Pindreau near the sanctuary of Laus, in the Hautes Alpes.
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  • hartleymartin
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    The impression that I get from the intentions of Musicae Sacrae in 1958 are that the Congregation should sing:

    1st: Responses (et cum spiritu tuo)
    2nd: Ordinary (eg Mass XVIII)
    3rd: Propers

    And within the Propers themselves:

    1. Psalm-Tone Propers
    2. Simpler Gregorian Propers
    2. Full Gregorian Propers

    What I mean be "Simpler Gregorian Propers" are the Ad Libitum Communion Antiphons and simpler chants such as "Unus Militum" on the Feast of the Sacred Heart (which is retained in the 1975 Graduale Simplex).

    But even in those days, technically once the choir had sung the Propers, additional music in Latin could also be sung, such as: "Rorate Caeli" during Advent, "Gaudete, Gaudete" during Christmastide, "O Filii et Filiae" during Easter, "Attende Domine" during Lent, other Latin eucharistic hymns such a "Anima Christi", "O Esca Viatorum" during the whole year around.

    Of course, then a vernacular Hymn would be sung as either a processional or recessional.
  • RobertRobert
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    Regarding the desirability of congregational singing of Gregorian propers and the encouragement of this in the 1958 instruction: Dom Saulnier has made some interesting comments that I think are germane to the discussion. This is taken from a talk transcribed online at http://palmus.free.fr/session_2003.pdf - my own rough translation, and emphasis mine:

    — Can the tract become a soloist’s chant once more?

    In the liturgy, there has always been a soloist’s chant, just as there has always been a chant of the assembly. There has always been, at least since the birth of the schola, a chant of the schola and there has always been a chant of the celebrant. But the best efforts have always had unforeseen consequences and effects. So one of the consequences of the reform that followed St. Pius X was a leveling of the Gregorian repertory and the idea came about that everyone sings everything. This idea was very influential in monastic life. When St. Benedict spoke of psalmody or of chant, he only spoke of the disposition of the singers. Look at what Saint Crodegang said in his Rule for canons. Taking up the Rule of St. Benedict he adds that it is necessary to sing together, in one voice. It is only thus that communities appropriated a repertory that was not their own: the assembly had never had this repertory to sing before. This movement was reinforced as the era went on. On this subject, there are some very good reflections of Monique Brulat in her thesis on the voice in the seventeenth century. For example, consult her citations on Port-Royal: “At Port-Royal, they sang like angels…” Afterwards, there was the reform that followed St. Pius X and the Solesmes style of Gregorian chant where homophony was prized completely: I am not saying that this was not a good thing, I’m not saying that you must not sing together in your communities. It’s a model of chant that had never existed in history, because there were others before and there will be others afterwards. In the twentieth century, the Gregorian revival is linked with this movement, this reform of St. Pius X, with the Gregorian chant of Solesmes, and with certain other conditions that took place in that century.

    The liturgical renaissance is bound to Gregorian Chant, for it includes the real values of participation, of the different [liturgical] roles, and the link with the Word. There have been more or less good experiences. Now that we understand the chant better, the reflections we make should have consequences for Gregorian Chant. And the adaptations that we had to make for the transition to the vernacular should also be considered for the communities that have held on to the Latin. They will not conserve the chant if they don’t, there will doom themselves to holding on to the simple allure that Gregorian Chant has had during the twentieth century. We can’t engage the liturgical life only on the basis of aesthetics; we can’t base the Liturgy on aesthetics, because in the liturgy there are things that change, and others that don’t change; this is linked to individual places and circumstances. Today what’s important is to ask questions, and I can say that there is a monastery of this congregation where, this year, the Tract was chanted by alternating verses with a soloist. The chant of the soloist is not made to be sung by an assembly of 80 people, this is not possible. The substance of the chant must be respected. It’s helpful to know these things and it also helps in practice to know what questions we can ask.


    Along these lines I think that there is an historical context to the 1958 instruction's encouragement of everyone singing the repertory of the Graduale Romanum, and that this would not be desirable in the present day.

    Having said that, the Requiem introit (the same one from the Graduale Romanum) is in the Graduale Simplex, which is precisely a book of proper chants suitable for singing by congregations. If ever there was a proper chant that should be sung by congregations regularly, this is the one.
  • JulieCollJulieColl
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    Excellent caveats @ the propers being sung by the Congregation. I heartily agree that the Gradual verses are the most difficult (and most beautiful!) element of the full song propers and would be virtually impossible for any congregation to sing, and it would be a tremendous loss if the Gradual had to be watered down for general consumption, so to speak.

    However, I believe a congregation could over time learn to sing Introit with the schola. They are not difficult and are eminently singable. Over a period of years, a congregation could easily become familiar enough with them to sing along. A dear priest friend of ours, a former Benedictine chantmaster, correctly told us once that an Introit could even be sung by all in place of the entrance hymn and this opened up new horizons of thought for us.

    Ditto for the Communion antiphons, many of which I believe are just begging to be sung by the people in an antiphonal manner.

    So, I think the point is two-fold. 1) De musica sacra opens up as many avenues of participation in the EF as are available in the OF. Now I'm not saying that the goal is to have as much external participation as is possible, since we all know that the first and primary aspect of participatio actuosa is interior, however, teaching people to take their place fully in the sung EF Mass, according (to the degree this is possible) to the documents of the preconciliar Popes can be a source of not only great renewal and vitality, but also can remove needless prejudices that some clergy and laity have against the EF Mass whose only experience with it may have been of the silent Low Mass.
    That experience of the silent Low Mass prejudices a fair amount of people against the EF (I know there is also a corresponding number of people who like it) because after 43 years of the Novus Ordo, the silent Low Mass paradigm virtually impossible for people coming from the OF to assimilate and relate to.

    2) Implementing the recommendations of this document (slowly, carefully and at a rate that is different for each congregation) can also yield abundant fruits as is seen in France where the traditional Latin Mass communities are so vibrant, that one-third of all French seminarians are studying for the traditional orders. In fact, certain progressive (I mean this in the best sense of the word) French bishops have caught on to this phenomenon and are trying to attract these seminarians by incorporating strong EF regimens in their own diocesan seminaries.

    So the bottom line is this: Implementing De musica sacra (again, we recognize this means different possibilities for different congregations) is the best way I think to work towards the "mutual enrichment" spoken about by Pope Benedict XVI and others prominent in the New Liturgical Movement because this affords those in the OF an opportunity to see that the EF allows for true and meaningful active participation, while also at the same time allowing those in the EF to benefit from what was really at the heart of the desires of the 20th c. popes, namely, teaching the people to sing or say in Latin those parts of the Mass that pertain to them.
  • hartleymartin
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    Opening up a can of worms here:

    Communion has an interesting possibility. Due to the length of communion, I would typically (in the OF) have the group or even just a small group of the choir sing the communion chant whilst the rest of the choir goes off to communion. Few people sing whilst they are lined up for communion anyway. I would then have a communion hymn of some description.

    However, I think the reality of the matter is that few parish churches will ever be able to pool together the resources to sing the full gregorian propers, and they should stick to something simpler, or at least learn the ad libitum communion chants. I think that Vatican II had this in mind when they called for the "simplified typical edition of chant" (ie the Graduale Simplex). Certainly the Simplex is better than recto-tono chant, and is one-up from using Psalm-Tone propers.
  • GavinGavin
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    Let's boil it down to basics: who among us is going to "shush!!" the people singing the propers here?
  • JulieCollJulieColl
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    More excellent insights. It may be a can of worms, but I'm hanging on to every word! I value your knowledgeable perspectives very much. Perhaps the third step outlined in De Musica Sacra is a "bridge too far" for the typical congregation, but any step in teaching people to take their place fully in the EF Latin Mass is a wonderfully positive step and one that is praised by the Church.

    P.S. Here's another link to the video of L'abbe Langneau's Solemn Requiem Mass and burial rite on Gloria.tv. It's interesting to note from the excerpts that the whole congregation sings the Introit, the Dies Irae (with organ accompaniment) and also sing a French hymn at Communion, as well as the In Paradisum at the end if I'm not mistaken. Quite fascinating.

    http://www.gloria.tv/?media=450556
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  • In its original context, 25c of the 1958 Instruction is directed primarily at seminaries and monasteries. Note what is actually stated: "all who are present are so skilled in Gregorian chant that they are capable of singing also the parts of the Proper of the Mass." What is envisioned here is a community in which everyone is skilled at singing the proper of the Mass. This excludes parishes because many parishioners will never acquire skill at singing chant, being either indifferent or lacking in ability. The conditions might possibly arise, however, in circumstances such as the Sacred Music Colloquium where everyone learns the chants.

    If you have any doubt that this interpretation of 25c is correct, consider the limitations placed in 31(d) which describes the fourth degree of participation at low Mass: "the faithful say also with the celebrant parts from the Proper of the Mass: Introit, Gradual, Offertory and Communion. This last degree can be properly carried out, as it ought to be, only by select and more cultured groups that have been well trained." If merely reciting the proper of the Mass along with the celebrant is envisioned only for select groups, it stands to reason that singing the texts to gregorian chant melodies with skill would be limited to even more select groups.
  • In the OP, it is suggested that the entire congregation singing the propers at a traditional Latin Mass is ideal. A warrant for this was sought in the SRC's 1958 Instruction on Sacred Music (see previous comment). In fact, the 1958 Instruction provides its own very different ideal for parishes in Chapter 3, Article 5: "It is highly desirable that cathedrals, and at least parish churches or other important churches, should have their own permanent musical "choir" or schola cantorum...." (99) The "choir" or schola cantorum consists of vested clerics and laymen which sings the proper of the Mass in the Sanctuary. A second ideal can be found in No. 114: "It is highly desirable, therefore, and effort should be made, to see that all churches have their own choir of boy singers, who have been full instructed in sacred Liturgy and especially in the art of chanting properly and piously."

    I acknowledge that it is a matter of debate whether these prescriptions are normative today, so hopefully we won't get sidetracked. But they provide further context for the 1958 Instruction's mention of the congregation singing the proper of the Mass in 25c.
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  • JulieCollJulieColl
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    Thanks so much, Arthur, for setting this in context, and I agree that the use of an all-male schola (preferably with clerical members) is recommended in the liturgical documents as the pre-eminent liturgical model (another can of worms which I definitely won't open now!). I'm not sure what your OP reference is, though.

    However, I don't agree that 25c. in De musica sacra is directed exclusively at seminaries and religious institutions since it says "if those present are well versed in Gregorian chant" so it seems obvious that includes any lay congregation as well, and, as we see in the video, the propers were actually being sung very well by a lay congregation in France.

    I know such a practice is exceedingly rare, but that doesn't mean it's impossible, esp. with the small congregations that are common in EF venues in the United States.

    Really, whether or not the congregation ever reaches that elusive third degree of singing the propers is irrelevant. My whole point in posting the video was to show that it could be done in carefully controlled circumstances with a responsive congregation, probably over a period of many years.

    The main point that should not be lost is that regardless of whether that third degree is ever achieved or not, the first and second steps as outlined in De Musica Sacra are certainly in reach of most congregations, and I hope you'll agree with that.

    Encouraging the lay congregations at the traditional Latin Mass to sing the responses and the Ordinary was strongly desired by the preconciliar Popes; I don't think it's an exaggeration to say such a practice was very clearly "mandated" by this document.

    In other words, it wasn't just a suggestion. The Church wants the people at the Latin Mass to be taught to say and sing in Latin those parts of the Mass that pertain to them.
    As Pope Pius XI said in Divini cultus:

    If this is done, then it will no longer happen that the people either make no answer at all to the public prayers---whether in the liturgy or in the vernacular---or at best utter the responses in a low and subdued manner."

    I once compiled a list of the harsh terms the pre-conciliar Popes used to describe lay congregations who aren't taught to participate actively at Mass, which is illuminating, to say the least:

    ". . . detached and silent spectators"----Pope Pius XI, Divini cultus

    ". . . .outsiders or mute onlookers"----Pope Pius XII, Mediator Dei

    ". . . strangers"----Pope Pius XII, De musica sacra

    ". . . mute spectators"----Pope Pius XII, De musica sacra

    ". . . dumb and idle spectators"----Pope Pius XII, Musicae sacrae disciplina

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  • Julie, I agree that in the EF the congregation should normally sing the responses and the ordinary chants of the Mass. In Oakland, they do this, singing the ordinary in alternatum with the choir, much as in this video series you linked to on ChantCafe. But this didn't seem to be the point of the orginal post (OP).

    Getting the people to sing can be hard in EF communities. Here's an excerpt illustrating one priest's frustration, or sadness, from a bulletin I came across recently from an FSSP parish in the US:
    "- In a small wedding at which I officiated recently, the bride was from Gabon, a French speaking country very influenced by the Catholic Faith and French culture. She and the groom went to the statue of Our Lady to make a consecration of their marriage after Holy Communion. The ladies from Gabon sang a hauntingly beautiful song to Mary in French. I was struck at several things with this; the first being what we have lost here. Catholics do not sing in our country, even if the music is good. To hear passionate Catholic singing again - and not just from a choir - lifted my soul. I know, you can hear Catholics sing in the New Mass, and sometimes very good hymns, but how I long that our parish would start really singing at the high Mass."
  • JulieCollJulieColl
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    Arthur, thank you for this, and I'm sorry if my OP was confusing. I was so thrilled to find an example of a congregation actually singing the propers that I couldn't wait to share it and didn't explain things as clearly as I should have.

    It's great to hear of a congregation singing alternately with the choir. It always brings to my mind this quote from Pope Pius XI in Divini Cultus (1928) about the practice in the ancient basilicas where "bishop, clergy and people alternately sang" and "where practically the whole city formed a great joint choir."

    I'm very touched about the story from the Fraternity priest. I think we have a lot to learn from the French traditionalists in that regard.

    At our chapel in Queens we've been working very hard to implement congregational participation at our Sunday Missa Cantata, and thankfully, the people are responding. We sing vernacular hymns at the processional and recessional and the Ordinary from the Kyriale, as well as Latin polyphonic motets during Mass. (We've also recently begun to sing some verses of the Communion antiphon, the repetition of which gives the more adventurous a chance to join in since the Communios are often very "singable.")

    I really believe the key, though, is having a sturdy English standard hymn like "Praise my soul, the King of Heaven" as Father and the altar boys come down the aisle. It can do wonders to wake up a congregation and get them in the singing mode for the rest of the Mass. My husband who directs our choir/schola is adamant about making that opening hymn very strong. We usually sing a verse of each vernacular hymn before Mass so the people can hear them.

    I also believe it's very important that the people in the pews have the actual music in their hands so I make handouts every Sunday with all the readings, hymn texts and the notation for the Ordinary and all the propers. It's a lot of work, but I'm convinced that if the people see the neums, some of them are going to start decoding the music, and it really works. A man came up to me out of the blue last Sunday who is not a musician and was asking me questions about the Gregorian chant. He said, "I can see where the notes go up and down with the music and it's finally starting to make sense to me."