Typical Parish Recessional ("Reform of the Reform" edition)
  • Chrism
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    A few years ago, we discussed a Typical Small Parish Recessional.

    Most of us have experienced some changes in our parishes since then.

    Here's a different parish trying the same recessional more recently. Commenters on the original thread will be happy that no clapping is observed:


  • GavinGavin
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    The video is of a church... the audio is from a ballpark?
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  • CharlesW
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    Stttttt-rrrr-iiiike!
  • Adam WoodAdam Wood
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    It's pretty clear that all those people leaving are (at least subconsciously) aware that this hymn is not part of the liturgy.

    Excuse my rant:
    This kind of boring, disconnected garbage is what the (so-called) "Contemporary" liturgical movement assumes it fights against. In all the "Spirit of Vatican II" liturgy and music-planning workshops I've ever attended (which is a lot, mind you) I've never heard anyone suggest that we throw out chant and polyphony in favor of goofy folk songs. I only ever heard about replacing boring music and generically-devotional hymn texts with well played contemporary music and texts actually related to the scripture lessons and liturgical actions.

    I'd prefer chant, and I've come to love traditional hymnody. But if my two options were that video or a Gather Comprehensive guitar-and-piano Mass, I know where I'd be. And I'm not the only one, I'm sure.

    And this is not just ranting for it's own sake: Many priests and musicians believe that, even in theory, there are only those two options. For many regular PIPs, the local parish scene is such that those really are the only two options.

    It gets worse. Promoters and purveyors of real liturgical music often group themselves (or are grouped in with, by their detractors) that older, supposedly-traditional musical paradigm.

    We need to understand the anti-hermeneutic of continuity at work here...
    Traditionalists tend to view the rise of "contemporary music" through a hermeneutic of rupture- that somehow adding guitars and pianos, or singing some different songs, was a major break with the prior praxis. It wasn't- it was its natural development, and (often) was an improvement.

    The music being played in the video above is also not a rupture with the crappy contemporary goings-on that came before. It is a natural development, retaining the essence of what was there previously, but molded by the current trends toward traditionalism (without truly being traditional), in the same way that the crappiness of pre-V2 provincial liturgy retained its essence, but was molded by the then-current trend of modernism (without ever truly becoming modern).

    Moving from non-liturgical music that people like or are familiar with to non-liturgical music people don't like and aren't familiar is not an improvement. It's like switching from donuts to raisin bagels and pretending that breakfast is now healthy (if I don't like it, it must be good for me!).
  • Scott_WScott_W
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    Followed by the chicken dance:

  • By the time that lady got through verse 1, I was done with verses 2 and 3.
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  • SkirpRSkirpR
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    Adam... I wish I could like your comments more than once.
  • melofluentmelofluent
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    Nice voice.
    I don't ever care about PIPs leaving at any point passed "Deo gratias," it's over. We're not the Liturgy Police, we're there to sing for our pleasure through God's gift of voice and song.
    The only thing that riles me is if there's an organ postlude and even one of the choir chats during it, they get the stink eye and shrivel before its lasar beam!
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  • PaixGioiaAmorPaixGioiaAmor
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    It just seems that for the way the priest is halfway down the aisle before the singing begins and the people are leaving as it is beginning that there is no need for a recessional hymn. I'd eliminate it; obviously no one at all values it.
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  • melofluentmelofluent
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    That is an understandable sentiment, PGA, and here's what I've thought about it for at least 20 years- When those PIPs stream (and scream while) out the doors, the sound eminating from within to outside those doors verily says: THIS IS A CHURCH! I'm not worried about whether passersby or PIPs assess a value to that reality, but we're not going anywhere, this is A CHURCH.
    It's kind of the opposite of when you're driving peacefully, and some boom car pulls up bombing bass notes that rattle your teeth and offend your ears with obscenities.
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  • chonakchonak
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    @PaixGioiaAmor: Bingo, as we Catholics say!

    If the priest wants a recessional hymn sung, he should darn tootin' stand there for the first verse -- facing God -- to show that he considers it worth singing.

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  • MHIMHI
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  • melofluentmelofluent
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    MHI, welcome.
    I disagree with the Caruso assignment. The young woman is possessed of fine voice (mezzo, I'd think) and did not oversing. When recording, even with the latest, greatest digital recording gear, one cannot make an accurate assessment. I'm going to give her the benefit of doubt, the lack of PIP involvement (at the dismissal of all places) does not reflect necessarily on particpation at 95% of the other musical moments prior. If I had a gun to my head to rat out the perp, I'd say the organ was a bit cheezy.
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  • hartleymartin
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    I've found that the seasonal Marian Antiphon works best, otherwise just an organ postlude. Once the priest has left, everyone is free to go. Many of them don't want to be held back to sing yet another hymn.
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  • favorite recessionals: when A Marian hymn was sung the celbrant processed to the nearby statue of Mary while one complete verse of the hymn was sung. Another is quiet insturmental music that promotes a tone of pray and thanksgiving.
  • That could have been a video from my parish. Our pastor leaves immediately and the people follow, no matter what the hymn. But, if we do a Marian hymn, the priest will stay and face the altar. There's always a mass exodus and party atmosphere (translated "community fellowship") when the priest leaves the altar, despite the recessional. Agh!
  • Scott_WScott_W
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    Well, at my NO parish, most people stampede for the door after the priest recesses, some hang about and chatter like it is Friday night at the mall, but at least some stick around to applaud! "Thank you! I'm here every Sunday. Be sure to tip your ushers!" [/tongue-in-cheek]
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  • CharlesW
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    The priest faces the altar for at least one verse of the recessional. If we are short on time, he will leave on the 2nd verse. If it is a traditional hymn that he likes, he will leave on the last verse.
  • Protasius
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    In the chapel I serve the priest goes out during the postlude, when the recessional hymn has already been sung. In the last years the only exception was the Sunday after Candlemas (unless it falls on a Sunday), when he would process out during the first verse to vest in alb and red stole instead of white or green chasuble, for the St Blase Benediction. (Per intercessionem sancti Blasii episcopi et martyris liberet te Deus ab omni malo gutturis et a quolibet alio malo. In nomine Patris et Filii et Spiritus sancti. Amen. I don't know if it is that popular in America as it is in Germany.)
  • BenBen
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    The blessing of throats is pretty popular here too.
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  • Spriggo
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    At my parish, I'll get with the priest before Mass to let him know how many verses of the closing hymn will be sung. He'll stick around until the last verse. Including the pastor, we have 5 regular weekend celebrants. Thankfully, all of them cooperate. The PIPs generally stay until the priest leaves.
  • mahrt
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    I think we need to think about why the Roman Rite has no recessional chant. The sung Mass has a sense of a build-up through the Canon, the Lord's Prayer, etc., to the communion. After that, there is just the postcommunion, blessing, and dismissal. This very brief conclusion can leave the worshipper with a continuing sense of the presence of the Lord; the option to stay and make a longer thanksgiving is important. Of course, announcements at this point (usually including such mundane activities as
    bingo or the St. Patrick's Day Dinner-Dance) tend strongly to dissipate that sense. It seems to me that a hymn at this point is superfluous. I generally play an organ recessional which begins with some rhythmic music accompanying the procession of the clergy out, and then more meditative music for those staying.
  • We sing the seasonal antiphon for the Blessed Virgin, followed by an instrumental postlude. If we're singing the tonus simplex, the celebrant & ministers stand facing the altar and singing the antiphon, after which they leave the sanctuary and process down the center aisle. If we use a polyphonic or larger accompanied setting, after standing for a short time facing the altar, they will then turn and process.