Liber Brevior reprint
  • pcpbooks
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    I am from Preserving Christian Publications (www.pcpbooks.com), and we are interested in reprinting the 1954 edition of the Liber Brevior, and in fact have already begun pre-press work on it. However, we halted the work as we wanted to ensure that there would be enough viable interest in this book to make it worth our while since finances are tight right now.

    For those of you who are unfamiliar with this book, the advantage of the Liber Brevior over its big brother, the full Liber Usualis, is that it is more compact and practical for choirs since it does not contain matters for the Divine Office (except Vespers), which will also make it a more affordable book.

    Also, because the Holy Week propers are out of date with the Holy Week reforms made from 1955 to 1962, in tandem with the Liber Brevior, we were also going to reprint the 1957 edition of the Holy Week Chants book (as a set with the L.B.), which is completed for choirs that follow the traditional reformed Holy Week rites.

    In any case, I would be glad to hear of everyone's input on this important matter and until next, God bless.

    PCPbooks
  • Palestrina
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    While I'd like to see the Liber Brevior back in print, I think that "Mass and Vespers", which covers essentially the same material, but with an English translation throughout and an appendix of useful seasonal chants would be more useful in EF parishes in English speaking countries.

    When you say that you'd reprint the "Holy Week Chants Book", are you referring to the one that is a supplement to the Liber Usualis, with matching page numbers?
  • Re. the "Holy Week Chants" book, the 1961 edition from Desclee (275 pgs) has English translations of all the prayers, chants, and readings, unlike the Liber Usualis excerpt. Maybe we should scan this?
  • Our schola uses the Liber Brevior. We ordered them from a used book store a couple of months ago. This book is amazing. We sing every Sunday at the EF and this book contains all the everything that we need (both Ordinary and Propers for all Sundays and holy days). The book is handy (unlike the big Liber Usualis) and at the same time very comprehensive. It also has a lot of useful seasonal chants (though there's not English translation). We are also going to use Liber Brevior for the Solemn Vespers in the future. So if your schola sings at EF on only Sundays and Holy days, I highly recommend it.
  • Jan
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    I understand the Liber Brevior might sell for approx $14/each. That's a big savings from the Liber Usualis ($158). Soooooo with a schola & choir, that might be very practical. Something to think about if you're only doing a Sunday EF Mass.
  • RagueneauRagueneau
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    I think it would be awesome to reprint the Liber Brevior. My first chant teacher always used it, and thought it was amazing.
  • pcpbooks
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    Dear All,

    Thanks for the posts so far, which have been helpful to verify that there is indeed interest in reprinting the Liber Brevior. However, could anyone assist us to obtain about another dozen such replies from other interested parties, particularly scholas?

    I really need a larger response to convince the management that investing in such a reprint will not end up as a financial failure.

    Thanks and God bless.

    PCPbooks
  • Our schola has gotten away from using chant books (Liber, Graduale) directly and instead rely on pdf files distributed via email.
  • Interestingly, our schola started off by using the pdf files before we switched to Liber brevior. We found it much better to use a chant book since it's much more organized this way. Things like people missing the second page of Credo in the middle of Mass won't happen anymore.
  • Jan
    Posts: 242
    Overtime, cheaper than photocopies, buying each schola member libers since currently we do not sing vespers. Could be used by organists
    (assistants, subs etc) for improvising etc. Similar to using the Gregorian Missal for the OF Mass. Our EF schola really needs to save a few
    bucks. Like vincewoo's group, much better for organization than binders.
  • I would definitely be interested in a high-quality reprint of the Liber Brevior in the $50-$80 range for reference (and out of curiosity!) I'm simply saying it's unlikely to be used by our schola. We struggled with the organization problems mentioned by vince and jan, but ultimately solved them by developing the right content and low production costs.
  • das
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    I'd buy a half dozen immediately! I think for Sunday scholas, it would save a lot of headaches, and allow singers to practice further ahead in the calendar.
  • RobertRobert
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    I think the Liber Brevior is great. The only thing I find about these old books (Liber Usualis too) is that they are hard to read from - the print is very small compared to the modern Graduale Romanum. It's difficult to distinguish a quilisma from a punctum sometimes. If this is going to be reprinted, any chance of increasing the size of the pages and print?
  • Jeffrey TuckerJeffrey Tucker
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    So I need to get one of these and put it online. We can inflate it.
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  • I agree with Robert. I don't have problem locating the quilisam in the book since I'm still young, but older members in the schola have problem distinguishing a quilisma from a punctum.
  • rich_enough
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    A very helpful feature of the LB its appendix, which has the Graduals and Alleluias / Tracts of all Sundays and feasts set to psalm tones.

    Sam Schmitt
  • rmm
    Posts: 1
    I've just put the Liber Brevior up for sale on Lulu.com, in case anyone is interested!

    http://www.lulu.com/content/hardcover-book/liber-brevior/7582337

    -Robert Maresh
  • It is wonderful that you are doing this...a full Liber for Mass only is heavy!
    And yes, old eyes like mine could use big print.
    And, as some one pointed out, printing out pages week by week can be problematic.
    But we use the Oct. 1961 Liber Usualis for Mass...could you do the 1961 Liber?
  • bcb
    Posts: 36
    Has anyone compared the different reprints? Is there any difference between the lulu version and the biretta books version (other than the lulu version seems cheaper)? The pcp (5 x 7.5 inches) version seems smaller than both of the others (6 x 9 inches), but it looks like the pcp version supplements with 5 added masses. The pcp version also has thinner pages, that are light and durable, but a bit translucent. And the pcp version has ribbons.

    I'm considering ordering these for the schola (since the 25% lulu promotion and the recent drop in pcp's price puts both under $30 per book), but I haven't held the lulu version to test the quality. Can anyone chime in one way or another with a recommendation?
  • E_A_FulhorstE_A_Fulhorst
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    Is this a scan or a new typesetting?

    Our schola loves the Brevior. That said, because most of us already have copies, we probably wouldn't be buying new ones, especially if this is just a scanned copy. That said, if this were a crisp, digital, completely reset version I would be all over it.
  • ClergetKubiszClergetKubisz
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    I understand the Liber Brevior might sell for approx $14/each.


    I paid almost $40 for mine.

    As I understand it, though, and I am new at the EF (still studying it to learn how to perform a sung Mass), the choir does not traditionally sing much of the Divine Office anyway (perhaps Lauds or Vespers), so the entire LU is not normally required. It'd be great to find a source that can provide the LB for $14 a piece, in case Fr. decides to perhaps one day include an EF Mass at our church. He probably won't, because we kind of have that type of congregation (grew up in the 50s and 60s, saw the liturgical changes that occurred and fell in love with 70s and 80s church music, such as Haugen and Haas).

    On the bright side, though, to further my EF education, I am going to attend a Low Mass this week at Holy Rosary in Indianapolis. It will be the first EF Mass that I have actually attended. I have seen them on YouTube and that only furthered my desire to actually attend one. I am looking forward also to attending my first Missa Cantata at the same church, but I have to decide on a date to go, since they only offer one per Sunday, and one on the Saturday before.
  • Best wishes to you. Let us know what you think after attending the low Mass.
  • Adam WoodAdam Wood
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    More resources like this need to be available, particularly in newly typeset editions (instead of low-quality scan-n-print, which I find a lot of).
  • Wmorgan
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    I would definitely purchase copies of the Liber Brevior for our choir at such a reasonable price.
  • hartleymartin
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    It would be better if this could be provide in a new type-set edition, rather than just a scan of the old books.

    It would also greatly help if psalm verses for the Offertory and Communion Antiphons could be included, as at the moment we would also need to have copies of Communio.

    The Offertoriale 1935, whilst an excellent resource to find out what psalm verses should be sung, is an annoyance as the psalm verses themselves are not set to psalm-tones.
  • SkirpRSkirpR
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    The Offertoriale 1935, whilst an excellent resource to find out what psalm verses should be sung, is an annoyance as the psalm verses themselves are not set to psalm-tones.


    I believe the singing of Psalm verses of the Offertory to a psalmtone is a recent (very, very recent) phenomenon. They were intended to be sung to the solemn tones in the Offertoriale, and effecting a kind of responsory, with usually only the final phrase or two of the Offertory "Antiphon" (not really an antiphon) being repeated after each verse.

    Not that there's anything wrong per se with the verses to a psalmtone, but I'd hesitate greatly to put it such in the reprint of an official book.
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  • hartleymartin
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    Reading your comments, I had not considered the 'responsory' style of the Offertory Chants.

    However, surely the Psalm verses for the Communion chants would be beneficial. I am surprised and dismays when I find that in most Latin mass communities, only the antiphons are sung for the Offertories and Communions, with other Latin hymns being substituted for the Psalm verses.
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  • tomjaw
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    I am surprised and dismays when I find that in most Latin mass communities, only the antiphons are sung for the Offertories and Communions, with other Latin hymns being substituted for the Psalm verses.


    We are one of those places where latin Hymns or motets are sung most of the time, considering that the Offertorale 1935 and the Psalmorum 1962 are rather recent additions to the collection of chant books, I am not surprised that they are not used as commonly.

    I would suggest that the following are just as legitimate as singing the Offertory / Communion verses.
    1. Polyphonic Motets
    2. Polyphonic Propers

    I admit that singing Vespers Hymns etc. instead could be seen as being an innovation... but this can involve singing hymns suitable to the season and the saint of the day.

    What I should add is that we do a variety of options where we sing. Over the last year we have sung the following during the Offertory / Communion
    1. Latin Hymns / Antiphons 3 times a month
    2. Polyphonic Propers 4 times a year
    3. Polyphonic Motets once a month
    4. Communion verses once a month.
    5. Offertory verses (solemn tones) twice a year (we did do this more often but the PIPs prefer the other options.

    We also sing the Introit verses around 6 times per year.
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