Congregational Participation and the EF Mass
  • Greetings all! I am turning to the combined wisdom of the forum in regards to congregational participation (both singing and/or spoken) during the EF Mass. I recently formed a schola to sing for a weekly EF Mass in the area and have had so much music to teach the choir that I have not given the congregation's participation much thought. However, now that the choir has the basics needed for Mass, I have begun to consider the congregation's responses/participation during Mass. I have always been under the impression that the congregation was expected to sing (at least) the simple responses, and if possible, the ordinary of the Mass, along with any vernacular hymnody that may be used. However, after a somewhat heated discussion with a man who knows the '62 missal frontwards and backwards, and some of the Church documents, I am less sure about my position. So, the problem I present to the forum is: 1) what is the congregation expected to sing (if anything) during a Missa Cantata or say for a low/dialogue Mass and 2) if I am correct in my assumptions that they are to sing the responses etc., what documents can I use to support my position.

    Any help/guidance in this would be greatly appreciated!

    Christopher McCloskey
    St Mary's Church
    Akron, Ohio
  • GavinGavin
    Posts: 2,799
    My understanding is that they are neither required nor forbidden to sing (or make any gestures, etc.) The EF, Fr. Z often says, has no congregational rubrics. My advice would be to go on local custom.
  • dad29
    Posts: 2,232
    IIRC, Musicam Sacram has enlightenment.

    Having been very alive and attentive while the EF was "the Mass," I can tell you that the Ordinary and responses MAY be sung by the Faithful. In fact, it was encouraged by Rome.

    Of course, I was then (and remain) in Milwaukee, which was blessed with very good liturgical formation and instructions (until the late 1960's), along with St. Louis and St. Paul Dioceses. Other US Dioceses did not necessarily implement these Roman instructions.
  • incantuincantu
    Posts: 989
    In his letter accompanying "Summorum Pontificum," Benedict makes suggests that some interplay between the two forms is desirable:

    "the two Forms of the usage of the Roman Rite can be mutually enriching: new Saints and some of the new Prefaces can and should be inserted in the old Missal. The "Ecclesia Dei" Commission, in contact with various bodies devoted to the usus antiquior, will study the practical possibilities in this regard. The celebration of the Mass according to the Missal of Paul VI will be able to demonstrate, more powerfully than has been the case hitherto, the sacrality which attracts many people to the former usage. The most sure guarantee that the Missal of Paul VI can unite parish communities and be loved by them consists in its being celebrated with great reverence in harmony with the liturgical directives. This will bring out the spiritual richness and the theological depth of this Missal."

    There seems to be a trend in celebrating the 1963 Missal as if it were 1963. This is, following not only the rubrics but also the devotions and customs and musical trends that were popular at the time. I don't mean to pass judgement on those who have a sentimental attachment to the EF Mass, but I do think care should be taken that the Rite isn't seen by those unfamiliar with it as a mere museum piece. Some developments of the of the past 40 years might enrich the traditional celebration.

    To respond to the posted question, the full, conscious, and active participation of the assembly still applies to both forms. We of course know that the participation is both internal and external. If Vatican II has been successful at all in improving people's understanding of the Mass and ability to participate in it, then they should be able to participate in the EF more fully than was previously possible. Now I don't work in the EF, but if I did I think I would concentrate on having people sing those things that I would expect them to sing in an OF Mass, viz Kyrie eleison (in alternation with the choir), Agnus, Sanctus, and Gloria. I don't see any reason why a congregation couldn't sing the "Ite" as well, though this is rarely done in the OF.

    For other parts of the Mass I would focus on people's internal participation in full chant or polyphonic propers. Only then would I work on supplemental hymns in Latin or, where permitted, the vernacular.

    I'm probably going way beyond the original question about responses, but I addressed the parts of the Mass that a congregation might need direction in order to participate in. I feel that if a congregation has, say, the PBC to follow along during Mass, they can choose which other parts they would like to sing and can learn them on their own without being forced or asked to.
  • dad29
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    Ughhhnnnhhh...please strike my reference to Musicam Sacram, and substitute Pius XII's Instruction of 9/3/1958, specifically those paragraphs which refer to the "Three Degrees" of participation of the Faithful.

    It is CLEARLY spelled out for you.
  • mjballoumjballou
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    Congregational participation at EF Masses seems to be very much local custom. And that custom can change. One Mass I occasionally attended had fairly good congregational participation on the ordinary and responses. Two years later, they had fallen silent. A year after that, the speaking/singing is picking up again. And I have no explanation.
  • Jeffrey TuckerJeffrey Tucker
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    I only recently found that this was true even on the "Domine non sum dignus..." I thought it was a universal practice that EF people say this, sometimes loudly, sometimes VERY loudly. It turns out to vary according to the parish, so that in some, people don't say it at all audibly.
  • GavinGavin
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    At the parishes I go to, it's "DOMinmumblemumblemumble.... DOMinmumblemumblemumble.... DOMinmumblemumblemumble...." I try to join in but that's some tough Latin to rattle off! Drives home the "non sum dignus"!
  • priorstf
    Posts: 460
    It's all okay so long as they remember heaven's telephone number: et koom speeree, two two oh.