Correlation of old and new calendars
  • amindthatsuits
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    I could swear that I asked this as a stand-alone question last summer, but can't find it in my list. I asked about how you correlate the pre-V2 and post-V2 calendars. We hit a bump this week because I don't see a Sixth Week after Easter in the Liber Usualis. As I recall, someone said Richard Rice had something useful on CPDL, but I couldn't see it immediately.

    So: is there a hand reference online for correlating the two calendars?

    Many thanks.

    Kenneth
  • JahazaJahaza
    Posts: 470
    I'm not entirely sure what you mean about coordinating the calendars, but there's no "Sixth Sunday after Easter" because it's the "Sunday After The Ascension" (and in older Libers, the "Sunday in the Octave of the Ascension", but the octave has been abolished.
  • JahazaJahaza
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    You seem to be referring to this thread and particularly this link to the CPDL.
  • Richard MixRichard Mix
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    Actually it's only Richard Rice's humbler namesake. Sacred music by season gives the overview of CPDL categories, and there is sometimes detailed discussion as in Sundays after Xmas.

    The seventh Sunday 'of' Easter (or Domenica VI. post Pascha) is frequently omitted in Anglican books to make way for a Rogation Sunday, even when it's not bumped for transfered Ascension. But perhaps it should be listed at CPDL: please have at it!
  • Liam
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    Rogation Sunday would be this coming Sunday, the Sunday *before* Ascension, with Rogationtide following on the intervening three days.
  • amindthatsuits
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    I have to look this all up, but thanks to one and all.

    I think it would be good if people assumed that someone asking a question has a good reason. And, unless you consider either the old or new Calendars illicit--in which case, confession is usually avaiable in most parishes on Saturday--then there is a problem correlating the two calendars. Although the Liber Usualis is under revision every year in coordination with the Congregation on Divin Worship, it is strictly according to the Extraordinary Form and has no guide about what to do when the two calendars vary. Even Jeffrey Tucker has commented on this problem, if I recall correctly.

    There is no 6th Week after Easter BEFORE Ascension in the old calendar, apparently, and yet, according to the USCCB website, this Sunday is the 6th Sunday of Easter.

    If I am parish music director trying to do the right thing, then I flip open the LU and--find a list of Litanies for Rogation Sundays. Yes, maybe I should know what that means, but if I don';t, where do I turn? Why, to the knowledgeable souls at Musica Sacra. Fortunately, I am a few months away from being a musical director or even schola singer, so the fact that I am still not sure what to do about this Sunday is strictly academic.

    So, maybe I should ask this more simply: Can someone give me the page number for the proper chants for this weekend? (-:

    Cheers.

    Kenneth
  • CHGiffenCHGiffen
    Posts: 5,200
    The confusion is between "of Easter" used in the new calendar and "after Easter" used in the old calendar, and the numbers used for this reckoning differ by one (the "of" number is one more than the "after" number).

    Thus, this Sunday (May 13, 2012), is the the 6th Sunday OF Easter (new calendar) but also the the 5th Sunday AFTER Easter (old calendar). The following Sunday (May 20, 2012) is the Sunday within the Octave of Ascension (old calendar) or the 7th Sunday OF Easter (new calendar), unless it is celebrated as Ascension by virtue of being transferred from the Thursday before to Sunday.

    Clear now?
  • Liam
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    Yes, the emphasis in the new calendar is on the 50-day-ness of Eastertide.
  • Mark M.Mark M.
    Posts: 632
    Generations from now (though hopefully sooner rather than later), when the two forms of the Mass have "mutually enriched" each other as Pope Benedict has envisioned…

    …here's hoping for a unified, reconciled calendar.
    Thanked by 1CHGiffen
  • Richard MixRichard Mix
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    Liam is of course correct about the date of Rogation Sunday. I was under the misapprehension that there was considerably more variation, my confusion stemming from an unpublished set of propers that now appear to be out of order, and also from observances in my neighborhood on April 23 of the "Major rogation", distinct from the pre-Ascension "Minor rogation".

    Let me repeat an invitation to seek other errors that may have crept into CPDL!
  • Steve CollinsSteve Collins
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    I have no need of a reconciled calendar. Having more options within a calendar, maybe. But that opens up all sorts of craziness. Two legitimate calendars in not a problem for me, and I create worship aids and play the organ for both types of Masses regularly. IOW, I don't trust anyone these day to properly "reconcile" the differences. Just the continued politics in the ICEL translations is enough to make me wary of everything!
    Thanked by 1PMulholland
  • CHGiffenCHGiffen
    Posts: 5,200
    My comments were just about the difference in nomenclature - not about the actual Propers assigned in each calendar, for there are some significant differences between the two.
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