"Creation Centered Spirituality"
  • amindthatsuits
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    I heard a homily this morning that used this catch phrase. An internet search did not bring forth anything that made me feel good about it. Does anyone know where this comes from? The homily itself was kind of a plea, yet again, for socialism.

    Kenneth
  • Charles in CenCA
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    Sounds like Mathew Fox, ex OP, ex Anglican, and advocate of singing AT Mass all portions by memory! Detroit NPM 1981, look it up, plenum address (was there.) Magical mystical bear, Mr. Fox. "Creation Spirituality" was typified in his book, ORIGINAL BLESSING (as opposed to "sin.") New Age syncretism with science and the kitchen sink. I, like Francis back in the day, thought it pretty cool at the time, sigh.....!
    I think he still earns money at Holy Names College in Oaktown.
  • David AndrewDavid Andrew
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    Sounds like one of those wonderful quasi-theological constructs that Haas, et. al. have come up with, and only they know what it means.
  • David AndrewDavid Andrew
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    Here you go! You can all learn to talk just like Haas, Matthew Fox and others . . .
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  • chonakchonak
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    Is there any specific connection between Haas and "Creation-Centered Spirituality"? I wouldn't trust him to reliably follow sound theology, but is he really a follower of Fox's "thought"?
  • Charles in CenCA
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    Honestly, I don't think so. My memory may fail me, but the only west coast NPM National was in Long Beach, at which a famed concert featured Michael, Marty and David (yes, I was there.) But I have a vague recollection that Fr. Fox presented at that in a breakout as well. I might be wrong.
    That said, I really don't think David hitches his wagon to "doctrine" profligates as a rule, unless maybe there's a side benefit that includes a trip to Hawaii, and I ain't gonna bust his chops for that.
    It doesn't discomfit me to give Mr. Haas a pass on the "Honest Indian" litmus test. He's too visceral to associate with conspiracy nut jobs. Fox? He ain't no Mel Gibson. My, I'm on a roll for a guy with a very irritating, unpredictable cold.
  • amindthatsuits
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    Well, I seem to have inspired a gusher of 'inside baseball' posts that leave me hanging a little, but it seems to mean that my suspicions were correct. It is very much like clearing out one demon and having seven move in, if I have the numbers correct. (Should definitely look up details on THIS forum.) This priest is very much old enough to be part of the 'Revolution" and then find that he had nothing to say...so he opted for heresy. An enemy of the Latin Mass, so far as I can tell, and yet it was at a Novus Ordo that I heard him talk. He drew the short straw that Sunday, I guess, and had to preside. And his homilies, which I have not heard in a couple of years, have always been long on feelgood,and short on theology. Definitely the kind of guy who thought JPII was just a fad.

    The buzzword generator sounds fun. Have to give it a spin.
  • amindthatsuits
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    I see it sounds as if I lef the antecedent for "demon." Obviously, I meant, in the mind of priests who are, say, 55+, they thought that something awful had to be eliminated, and so they did, along with 75 percent of the people who were coming to Mass. Then they had nothing to say. I think the one that horrifies me is the campus ministry at Stanford, where, one would think the students could handle a little heavy lifting. One time when I was there, say 10 years ago, a Jesuit was giving a "lecture" on the significance of the enneagram, a nonagon, I guess, that had spiritaul powers. Not demonic, but New Agey nonsense. I sure hope the campus ministry has improved since.

    It was also at a Mass at the campus ministry that one politically correct type scowled at me through the Pater Noster because I closed my eyes and held my hands aloft before the priest got done so I wouldn't have to hold hands, which I hate. You see, I was violating community or something.
  • amindthatsuits
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    Oh, an enneagram is a nin-pointed star inscribed in a circle. I feel so uplifted for knowing that.
  • amindthatsuits
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    Not.
  • francis
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    Chaaaaaaaaarrrrllllllessssss!!!!!!

    I was never into CS. I was responsible, however, for Marty Haugen eliminating his CS hymn from Glory and Praise, Song at the Center. For those of you who still have the first edition, you can familiarize yourself with the basics of CS by reading that text. They highly value turning towards and addressing the four corners of the earth as though they are powers to be honored or somesuch nonsense. This kind of thing also went down for evening prayer at the last SW liturgical conference complete with Mexican indians in full regalia with rattles and peacock feathers right in front of the Bishop. God does not smile when these things happen.
  • Charles in CenCA
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    Sorry, Francis, I misspoke. I just meant to say that we shared regrets about aspects of our respective liturgical paths "back in the day," not that you were at all associated with CS or Fox ("CS" what an ironic twist!)
    Should have phrased it better, zigged when I zagged. And, no, I wasn't into ZigZagism either! :-)
  • Maureen
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    Oh, argh. I did realize that Matthew Fox was close to all the neo-pagan ripoffs of Native American religions, but I didn't realize we almost got stuck singing "Wind's Four Quarters" in a non-fantasy literature context. Except a version by Haugen.

    The Lord is kind and merciful, seriously.
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