Psalm 150 and Sacred Music
  • daniel
    Posts: 75
    In Psalm 150 we are told to praise Him with trumpet, harp, lyre, drum, dancing, etc. None of these lend themselves to Gregorian Chant and organ. How could one argue for chant and organ in light of Psalm 150 when others might say "see, we're supposed to use other instruments."
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  • miacoyne
    Posts: 1,805
    Hi, Daniel. The following post really helped me.

    http://musicasacra.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=1202&page=1#Item_2

    Also the Church documents, such as Musicam Sacram, in regard to chants and organ.
  • That's not very nice, Paix.

    Actually, I get asked similar questions all the time, and have asked them of myself on occasion. Psalm 150 in particular first came up for me in a conversation with the Protopsalti of a local Antiochian Orthodox church, who believes that the organ, and any musical instruments, are inappropriate in the context of a Mass or Divine Liturgy. Though I don't agree, we reached consensus on several points.

    First, we should indeed praise the Lord with trumpet, harp, lyre, drum, dancing, and everything else we do. We should praise Him in our every action. That doesn't necessarily mean we should employ every technique of praise at every moment. Besides being impossible, certain things are more fitting in particular circumstances than others. Long personal testimonials might be fantastic, for example, but Mass might not be a good setting for them. Similarly, praise with drums and dancing might fit best during some time other than Mass. So, leaving the trumpet out of Mass doesn't mean we are ignoring something we are explicitly instructed to do.

    Second, the Psalms are themselves songs, literary works, emotional and expressive. The Psalms are a different genre than, say, the Ten Commandments or the Sermon on the Mount. Though they too of course are inspired, and authoritative, it's not clear that their injunctions should be interpreted as explicit commands. This was not a command that says: "Worship only by using the trumpet, the lyre, the harp, and the drum." It really would be reading too much into the text to say that Psalm 150 mandates the use of instruments, and any worship that doesn't employ them falls short.

    Third, there is a case to be made that the most perfect musical instrument of praise is the human voice, which is what the Orthodox believe. Because I am not entirely on board, I won't attempt to summarize it here, lest I sell it short. Regardless of whether you find it convincing, it is extremely difficult to argue that 100% vocal music is INAPPROPRIATE, or unfitting. Perhaps instruments are just as acceptable, but how can purely vocal music be LESS fitting? If a community doesn't happen to have any instruments, their praise is somehow less perfect? That doesn't make much sense. To say unaccompanied chant, because of the lack of instruments, is inappropriate, doesn't follow.

    Now you are right, the organ isn't specifically mentioned in Psalm 150. But the organ wasn't invented yet. AND, Psalm 150 wasn't trying to compile a formal list, it was an expression of exuberance. So, to argue that Psalm 150 tells us to use the trumpet, etc., but NOT the organ, so the organ is inappropriate, is poor exegesis.

    If you want to make the case that chant and organ are the ONLY forms appropriate to Mass, the argument would have to have several parts: 1) chant best achieves whatever purpose music is supposed to have at Mass; 2) the human voice best suited or most appropriate for the purposes of Mass; 3) the organ is extremely similar to the human voice, and so, if there is going to be an instrument, it should be that one. 4) other instruments, whether due to particular inherent traits, or due to our associating them with secular situations (like the sax with lounges), might be less suited. I myself am not making that argument, I'm only sketching what it would look like.

    Make sense?
  • GavinGavin
    Posts: 2,799
    Anyone got a lyre? It's allegorical writing. The idea is that all people in every way in their life should give all glory to God. It doesn't have anything to do with instruments or genres.
  • There are a lot of ways in which Catholic worship differs from Jewish worship in the Temple. We don't use blood sacrifice, for one. Roman rite Catholics use incense like Temple worship did, but not all early Christians did (e.g. those in Palmyra). If the words had been written by St. Paul rather than by the psalmist, that kind of exhortation would be much more normative to Christian worship.

    I think it is beyond question (pace Gavin) that the psalms were originally set to the lyre, just like ancient Greek epic was originally. That doesn't mean that when Christians used them in a distinctly Christian worship that there were to be used only as originally intended.

    Are the people who are making the case to use lyre, drums, etc. also lobbying for a return to proclaiming them in Hebrew?
  • Having reflected on this for longer than I care to admit, I echo Gavin's thoughts — I firmly maintain that the psalmist exhorts us to praise God in the secular liturgy as well as the sacred.

    So Psalm 150 applies not to temple worship, but to the worship rendered to God with our everyday lives.

    But to address the psalm itself (trumpet, harp, lyre, drum, and dancing):

    Instrumental and popular music is part of the liturgy of life — outside the Temple. Dance is part of the liturgy of life — outside the Temple.

    I say this as one with extensive experience in secular music (alto saxophone, trumpet, piano) and dance (ballroom, salsa, swing), and who perceives incredibly strong spiritual elements in both — my approach to both probably has something to do with this perception. Whatever the case, spiritual content alone does not qualify it for the Temple; note that I didn't specify the nature of the spiritual elements — every case is different.

    Our job as laypeople is to sanctify the liturgy of life — to restore all things in Christ — including secular music and dance (if possible; I maintain that it is). But even after sanctifying these things to the extent that we can, that still doesn't give us a mandate bring such secular cultural forms into the Temple to somehow validate them in the presence of the Almighty. The Almighty sees far beyond the threshold of the Temple.

    (And for what it's worth, I have become extremely sympathetic to the Orthodox approach to sacred music.)
  • CharlesW
    Posts: 11,986
    Until the church decides its music documents are worth enforcing, it is going to be difficult for anyone else to take them seriously. Oh, I know, many folks can quote those documents until they are blue, but the documents are worthless for any practical purpose. I think bad church music is like pornography - you know it when you hear it.
  • chonakchonak
    Posts: 9,221
    Daniel, Christian worship developed out of a different cultural setting than Psalm 150, about 1000 years later, so the early Christians did not take it as a model.

    At the time of the early Church around the Mediterranean, instrumental music was associated with sensuality and the pagan mystery-cults. The early Church Fathers, with their asceticism, took a cautious view of instrumental music, and early Christian worship was only vocal. Some of the Church Fathers advised Christians that they shouldn't learn to play certain instruments associated with the cults.

    It took hundreds of years before the organ appeared in church music, and centuries more before the Church expressed an official toleration for it, while liturgy with only the human voice remained the ideal (and it remains so today). The pipe organ was only praised officially for the first time at Vatican II in 1963, and other instruments remain only tolerated.
  • dvalerio
    Posts: 341
    Let me add some thoughts about how arguments such as the ones put forth two days ago by Daniel should be met. I once agreed with those views, and actually quoted Psalm 150 (among other misapplied Scriptures, e.g. 1 Corinthians 14, 1-33) to support them. There were in my (currently former) parish some people, among whom a choir director who led an excellent liturgical choir, who on a few occasions attempted to argue with me and the other young people who directed a youth choir following our (wrong) ideas about liturgy. Unfortunately, they consistently adopted an aggressive, know-it-all attitude. To change my mind, I had not only to realise that my arguments were wrong and theirs were right, but I also had to see that the fact that the other side was being arrogant did not prove their arguments wrong. This difficulty, of course, was not intellectual: I knew all along that arrogant people can be right (and just should support their correct views otherwise); the difficulty (at least in my case) was mostly sentimental, and thus harder to overcome. My dislike for the attitude of those who supported chant and polyphony and quoted Church documents was a weighty obstacle for me to realise that, in spite of them, their ideas were right.

    Two final notes. Firstly, I also realised that my own attitude had all along been also arrogant: I saw that I thought that, even though I knew far less than they did about music, liturgy, etc., what I knew was more than enough, and they, for all their knowledge, were stuck with old-fashioned, unchristian ideas, etc. This is because knowing too much can make someone arrogant, and that is a real danger, but ignorance can also lead to arrogance; it is the sort of sin that seems to threaten all people alike, just in different manners. Secondly, this arrogance of mine does have some tendency to resurface when I am now asked to support my views (often by people who knew I once adamantly defended contrary ones). I just hope that my experience of having been kept away from Sacred Music for a while also because of the attitude of those who promoted it may help me avoid the same fatal error when I now make its defence. And I strongly advise all those who fight for Sacred Music never to do it with feigned superiority.
  • eft94530eft94530
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    There is also material in Forum Discussion 1504
    http://musicasacra.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=1504