Does anyone know this one: "Christ became obedient..."
  • MusicLady
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    A long time ago a choir director in Toronto gave us this piece printed on a Ditto machine! (Yes, THAT long ago... early '70s... the purple ink copies that had to be photocopied before they faded.) I'm looking for (1) the composer, and (2) a recording, but I'm not even sure of the title! Attached the copy I engraved a few years ago. Would appreciate any tips... thanks!
    Maggie (in Vancouver, Canada)
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  • MusicLady
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    I have a midi file as well, but didn't attach it as the tempo is supposed to change at "Therefore God also..." but don't have that recorded.
  • novusgordo
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    My random thoughts in terms of tracking this down:
    • What parish in Toronto was this? (Or was it a community choir or something?) If it's a local composition, that might help narrow things down.
    • Maybe try reaching out to someone from the Cathedral or the Choir School?

    (BTW: I'm also an ex-Torontonian chorister now living and singing in Vancouver!)
  • MusicLady
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    Thanks for replying! It was at the Newman Centre (corner of St. George & ?Harbord?) and the choirmaster was a then-seminarian from the Basilian seminary. It wasn't until after I came back out West (1986) that I transcribed it, and that director has since died, so can't get it there. This Newman Centre choir was together in the mid-late '70s.

    The Choir School (I'm assuming you mean St. Mike's?) could also maybe help; I know another (retired) musician who used to teach there, so I'll ask him.

    (Where were you in Toronto, and are you singing anywhere in Vancouver now? I'm no longer in a choir as I've retired.)
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  • novusgordo
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    Yes, things have changed a lot at the UofT Newman Centre since the 1970s! I was there for a couple years when I lived on campus in the early 2000s, but the state of the chapel liturgies was... interesting, shall we say. As I learned more and more about the liturgy, I could endure it less and less. (After wandering around a bit, I ended up at St. Vincent de Paul in Roncesvalles Village - that's the other parish run by the Toronto Oratory. I was there until I moved back to BC.)

    I haven't been back to the Newman Centre for the better part of two decades, so I have no clue what it looks like now. It might still be worth contacting the chaplaincy office, though - it's very possible that the original score is in the many file cabinets of music that were there when I was, and that no one has purged them to this day!

    (As for where I am now? I'm at St. Helen's in Burnaby Heights, leading a schola cantorum and very much trying to grow its numbers!)
  • MusicLady
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    No doubt at all that things at Newman have changed more than dramatically!! As for the music in the cabinets, I was the one who put most of it in the wooden filing cabinet in the chapel back in the '70s (in fact I'm the one who saved and refinished it!) so I have the original score, such as it was, that we were given. By the time I left there was only one cabinet, but no doubt that grew a lot. I might have more luck with the Basilian seminary, although it's so long ago. I'm hoping someone here will recognize it. Have a query in to a friend who used to teach at St. Mike's Choir School so maybe he'll know. If I find out I'll post it here.

    It's a real shame that things fell apart at Newman. We musicians were flying blind after Vatican II and it took a while to get proper documentation. Eventually we did with some of the updated Liturgy Documents, especially when the New Roman Missal came out in 2011 and we were able to learn the chant Masses (also erroneously called the ICEL Chant Mass!!). It took a long time, however, and now a number of parishes in the RCAV are improving.

    As for Vancouver, have you heard of David Poon? He's a big schola supporter. If you haven't, I'll find out his contact info and send it to you. Am sure you'll be interested in what he's doing.

    Would love to chat sometime, and you could DM me on Facebook (Margaret Langfield) if you'd like to send your e-mail address; I have tons of resources here and love sharing them, especially as I get older and older, so do get in touch if you'd like.
  • novusgordo
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    I've worked with Dave many times on sacred-music projects, actually. He's gearing up as we speak to start rehearsals of Victoria's Missa Gaudeamus for a couple of Masses for the Assumption.

    In my experience, the overall state of liturgy here in RCAV is not all that terrible, certainly by Canadian standards. My biggest frustration (aside from the chancery office's very creative definition of the word "soon") is that, for those of us who really are trying to raise the bar in terms of sacred music, there's so few opportunities for us to collaborate or even to meet each other! Most of what I know about other parishes is either from word-of-mouth or from random encounters. (Part of it may be that I'm not a full-time professional musician, and so I end up somewhat more out of the loop. But it's still frustrating.)

    I would love to put something together this summer — nothing as big or elaborate as the former Sacred Music Symposium we had in Aldergrove, but just an opportunity for liturgical musicians to get together, sing Lauds and/or morning Mass, and then have an opportunity to network/socialize over lunch or something. But I have no clue how I'd go about doing something like that, or if anyone other than myself would even be interested in it.

    (I don't do Facebook, but I sent you a DM using the messaging function on this forum.)
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