Anecdotal evidence of Catholics singing with gusto
  • Here are a few pieces that are obviously known and loved in the parish to which I belong. We are talking belting.

    Salve Regina
    O Come, Divine Messiah
    America the Beautiful
    Faith of Our Fathers
    and most Christmas carols.

    What about in your experience?

  • MatthewRoth
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    Mass XI, Credo I, Mass VIII, Credo III, the Salve, the Regina Caeli, the Asperges (the usual mode VIII and the mode IV one too now), the Adoremus in aeternum in what is essentially mode VI from the Westminster Hymnal, the Maredsous Divine praises,* ps 116 to the ton royal, green Sunday Vespers…it’s not that they don’t sing other chant things (they do), it’s just that there’s not enough people at certain functions for them to feel comfortable singing even the things that are well sung at the high Mass (or at a well-attended function), or they have such a short window in which they are used.

    For vernacular hymnody, it can be really variable. Usually they get into Glory Be to Jesus (but we had no Masses with music in July due to work in the church and the heat), Immaculate Mary, especially Hail Holy Queen, Holy God, O Salutaris (DUGUET), Tantum Ergo (SAINT THOMAS), Faith of Our Fathers…
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  • Liam
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    IMO Holy God We Praise Thy Name belongs at top of this list for non-seasonal hymn repertoire. I can't speak to the British Isles, but at least for the USA, it still seems to be the most universally and vigorously engaged of general hymns in the vernacular. Which is meet and just. Any pastor and/or music director who is tempted to let it drop out of regular use should . . . reconsider. If the Parousia were to occur soon, what hymn would most active American Catholics be likely to sing well together en masse with no instrumental support?

    To repeat something I've mentioned at least once before on these boards:
    A least a couple of decades ago, I heard a wonderful (but quite likely apocryphal, as I've never found a proper source for it) story about Grosser Gott: that, during some propaganda rally in World War II in Germany (the version I heard included Goebbels as haranguer-in-chief for the occasion), someone in the crowd started singing Grosser Gott, which was gradually taken up by the crowd and drowned out the haranguer. The very thought of this pleases me - the very reason I am a bit skeptical about what ultimately is or is not true about it. Apropos of this, here's a glorious mess of Grosser Gott in the immense acoustic (that vault is 43m / 141' high) of Cologne's cathedral:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJ2DhRItaoA

    So, as a musician, I love when hymns are sung with fine musicianship. That said, the cradle Catholic in me at the same time appreciates that kind of glorious immense mess, which has a sincere, heartfelt integrity of own that is sublime in a different yet coexisting way from musical perfection.
  • Liam, that is quite well put.

    (I do hope that story is true. There is, as you may know, a similar tale about the singing of Ein Feste Burg' at Nidaros Cathedral in Trondheim, Norway. This is mentioned in the delightful Fireside Book of Folk Songs but I have never been able to verify it.)
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  • canadashcanadash
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    "Lift High the Cross" on Holy Thursday.
    "O Come All Ye Faithful" on Christmas Day.
    "Immaculate Mary" whenever it is sung.
  • Liam
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    I will separate out this question and generalize it as a more general inspiration for music directors to consider in their management of congregational repertoire:

    "If the Parousia were to occur soon, what hymn would most active Catholics in your country be likely to sing well together en masse with no instrumental support?"
  • WGS
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    For years, I have been looking for an opportunity to record my observation of just such enthusiastic congregational singing. My wife and I were married in 1965, and that summer, we were hiking in the Tetons with another couple. We went to the Sunday Mass in Jackson Hole, WY, and I was impressed by the vigorous full-house congregational singing. (probably the 4-hymn format) Subsequently, I realized that the local parish had very few resident Catholics. It's safe to say that those who go to Mass while on vacation would be the most likely to participate in the service. Laudetur Deus!
  • Top Parousia arrangements:

    -Rod and Susan on guitar and tambourine singing Go Make a Difference while everyone else cringes or mumbles along

    -Four paid non-Catholic singers do a 10 minute renaissance Gloria

    -Parousia DM (me, obviously) selects a setting of Praise to the Holiest in the Heights that nobody has ever heard and forgets to make printouts available
  • Liam
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    CS

    Brilliant! The condensed detail in your second offering is priceless!

    As for the first: I might well imagine that Rod has a tendency to flatness while Susan has a tendency towards sharpness - of which neither is fully aware. (Imagination from actual experience of a quartet of singer-musicians at a now-closed Catholic church outside the western edge of Rochester NY.)
  • AbbysmumAbbysmum
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    "Immaculate Mary" whenever it is sung.


    Not only do they sing with gusto, but with 4 part harmony on the refrain!
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  • AbbysmumAbbysmum
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    Our parish list:

    Holy Holy Holy
    Sweet Sacrament
    Sacrament Most Holy
    The Summons
    Christ Be Our Light
    Salve Regina
    Immaculate Mary
    O Come Divine Messiah

    Anything sung at daily Mass, unaccompanied, led by one of the church ladies, at least a 4th lower than what is written in the hymnal, sort of in time, mostly in tune. I do appreciate their enthusiasm. As a soprano, it pains my heart to sing some of these that low.
  • Richard MixRichard Mix
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    We had two school Masses this week: Monday the children sang impressively on Immaculate Mary, and today with parents in tow for the Guadalupe play I saw only four or five lip movers for the same hymn with a full church! Such is the force of example.
  • Liam
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    The very first hymn I learned when I started weekly attendance at Mass circa 1965 was Holy Holy Holy. My father took the boys to the earliest Sunday morning Mass; my mother took the girls to a later Mass; six kids - divide et impera was their management rule for this. My father grew up in German national parish that *sang*; my mother sang (and a better voice, though very low in her register- a female tenor, essentially), but her Irish parish generally left singing at Mass to the parochial school choir. So my father always sang at Mass - and not shyly - and modeled that for me. He was unusual among men of the period and place for so doing, and I am deeply grateful for his example.
  • canadashcanadash
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    It truly depends on the diocese. In my diocese the Cardinal LOVED "O God Beyond All Praising." So much so, that it went from an almost unknown hymn to something I think that our parish could sing with gusto sans accompaniment, and I have a feeling that is so in many of our parishes. This may change, now that he is retired though.
  • At our Traditional Latin Mass, any Church Militant type hymns gets sung with great gusto, especially To Jesus Christ, Our Sovereign King and Faith of Our Fathers (not to be confused with the liberal faith of our sisters and mothers aberration found in CBW III). They also sing the Ambrosian Gloria, Mass VIII, the Litany of the Saints with gusto as well.

    Our English Mass just doesn’t sing hymns for the most part. There’s a few of us who sing the good traditional hymns with gusto, but I was sorely let down by the congregation on the Feast of Christ the King with the sad state of To Jesus Christ, Our Sovereign King. I think there may be some confusion about singing at Mass and that it’s a choir performance. They always tend to clap for the choir after Mass.
  • MatthewRoth
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    The very first hymn I learned when I started weekly attendance at Mass circa 1965 was Holy Holy Holy. My father took the boys to the earliest Sunday morning Mass; my mother took the girls to a later Mass; six kids - divide et impera was their management rule for this.


    We do “Holy, Holy, Holy” on Trinity. I’m sure that it’s well sung. Before January comes we will not have sung anything to HYFRYDOL since at least my (permanent) arrival in 2021; we have added an English hymn to after the reposition (so, after the Latin chant) on Sunday evenings. I hope to convince the ladies to join us to sing parts for those where the harmonization lends itself to that. So we’ll start with “Alleluia, sing to Jesus” as the gesimas approach.

    Also, Liam, my pastor tells parents to do the same thing with their kids. It is not heeded.

    Our English Mass has 100 people but not enough to sing, even the Salve, but they’ll sing it with the TLM folks (and some of them are normally TLM folks!).
  • CatholicZ09
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    Many of the traditional Advent carols are popular—“O Come, O Come, Emmanuel” probably tops the list, followed by “O Come, Divine Messiah,” and “People, Look East.”

    Any of the mainstream Christmas carols are also a hit.

    In addition to the “ordinary” hymns already mentioned, our folks really sing “Come, Christians, Join to Sing.”

    At Easter, we do a really oldie but goodie with Fr. Rossini’s “Christ is Risen from the Dead.” They really sing that.
  • iMalton
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    The Salve Regina simple tone is another great one to add to the list... I've been in many a Catholic event or at Mass where this can be sung with great gusto and already is sung sans accompaniment. The other Marian antiphons for the seasons are not so well known unfortunately though at the parish where I sing a votive Mass of the BVM once a month on First Saturdays, I've been singing the seasonal Marian antiphons and the congregation has been picking them up.

    I also think the Tantrum Ergo, both the hymn version and the chanted version are quite gusto-worthy, especially if a parish has regular Adoration and Benediction.