Questions about the inaugural mass.
  • amindthatsuits
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    Archbishop broglio at the shrine this morning stated what I had understood, which is that the Pope becomes Pooe the minute he says yes. “

    What, then, is the significance of the mass this morning. It can’t be “just a mass. “Because the mass is the most important thing there is but it is, but does it carry any weight beyond that. I don’t think so. Anyone know?

    Also, why did the Eastern rite patriarchs descend with him into the tomb of Saint Peter?

    Any insight is appreciated. These aren’t particularly pressing issues, just some things I was wondering about many thanks,

    Kenneth
  • Jeffrey Quick
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    This was essentially a coronation Mass, though Popes have not been taking the tiara of late. The heir to a throne takes power as soon as he inherits, but he still needs to be confirmed in his position. Until fairly recently (past 150 years), the Pope was also absolute monarch of the Papal States.
  • amindthatsuits
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    That’s also the same for the American president. As we learned shen chief Justice Roberts muffed the oath for Obama. I noticed that the cardinal does not say “ I am giving you the pallium” by “ May God impose this pallium on you. I wonder what they said for the tiara. The one in the National Shrine is really ugly. In my opinion having seen it hundreds of times.though I’ve seen 0 pictures of earlier ones that looked better. I’m just as glad they’re not being used Thanks again. Kenneth
  • I read in a commentary that the symbolism of the eastern patriarchs is to represent the Holy Father as Shepherd of the Universal Church including the Eastern Rites... ie not just Roman Catholics.

    Regarding the tiara, I also read that the earliest forms actually were not a triple tiara but rather looked similar to a white helmet- it was only around the middle ages that they started to become tiaras when monarchs became more involved.
  • Liam
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    If you could read Latin and find a copy of the Ordo Rituum pro Ministerii Petrini Initio Romae Episcopi (April 2005; modified February 2013), I would imagine it includes praenotandae proving official commentary.

    In the coming week comes the Pope’s formal enthronement and taking canonical possession of his cathedral, the Lateran Archbasilica, and taking possession of of the other two major papal basilicas.
  • amindthatsuits
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    Yes, I rather heard someone say that he’s taking up being Bishop of Rome, and I am pedantic enough to have thought, not until he gets to St. John Lateran
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  • amindthatsuits
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    Thanks for the answers. I too thought the eastern patriarchs were probably there to make them feel included. I mean, seriously included. It looked great. It was a great moment. Whoever thought of it. I also think it was great that they reduced the ritual of people swearing obedience to just a few people, and included other people besides Cardinals. Pope, St. John, Paul, the second made a point of standing to receive all the Cardinals where is the pope previously have been sitting on a throne, not surprisingly
  • Liam
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    Historically, after the period of papal coronations began in the mid-9th century and until the Babylonian Captivity, they were at the Lateran, and thus part of the taking of canonical possession and enthronement.
  • SponsaChristi
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    The one in the National Shrine is really ugly. In my opinion having seen it hundreds of times.though I’ve seen 0 pictures of earlier ones that looked better. I’m just as glad they’re not being used


    According to Liturgical Arts Journal its designer, Scuola Beato Angelico, “obviously aimed for an innovative design with an aerodynamic emphasis, defined by curved form and long horizontal lines. The finished product contributed to the development of a new visual identity for the papal tiara. The mod version was deemed appropriate at the time, influenced by the atomic and space age” The Last Tiara Used in a Papal Coronation.

    It gives me The Jetsons meet the Coneheads vibes. The other ones are shaped differently and are more aesthetically appealing.

    Pope Benedict XVI and Pope Francis both were gifted papal tiaras.
  • PLTT
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    @Liam, I checked the 2005 edition and it did not seem to have any explanation for the presence of the Eastern Patriarchs (although it did have a brief commentary on the significance of the station at the tomb of St. Peter).

    As far as the Mass itself goes, the Praenotanda simply says that it marks the "solemn beginning" of the Pontificate, and highlights the Petrine dimension of the Pope's role especially through the giving of the Pallium (recall the Papal pallium had 2 different forms under Benedict, until Francis changed it back to the standard one) and the Fisherman's Ring. The location is viewed in terms of people gathering at the site where the Apostle (and others) testified to the faith through martyrdom.
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  • So, last night one of our sisters did a presentation on different elements of the papacy and she actually showed us some excerpts from this video to show us different "tiaras" ... for those who were asking what others looked like, gives a good amount of examples. I haven't seen the entire video myself, so Im not sure if the information in it is actually legitimate but its at least good for pics.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=we3Wkw23aRM
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  • Liam
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    PLTT

    Thank you. Yes, the papal pallium got an Eastern inflection during B16's papacy.

    Tangent: I am rather fond of the Lateran. S Maria Maggiore is my favorite interior of the four major basilicas (the exterior encasing leaves much to be desired), but I think the early 17th century popes and their architects did a better job with what was already at the Lateran (which had suffered much damage over the centuries) than the eradication of Old St Peter's at the turn of the 16th century. Borromini's structural+artistic solution of twinning the nave columns into piers with niches for monumental statuary, while retaining the basic acoustical scale and form of the building for worship, was and is a clear success (Borromini's treatment of the aisles is also sensitive and successful). (St Peter's, for all of its visual grandeur and scale, is, to put it exceedingly charitably, not ideal acoustically; no more deep domes on high drums, please, as they decidedly unhelpful with reverb....) And I much prefer the early 18th century facade of the Lateran to the bloated early 17th century facade of St Peter's that ended up vexing Bernini so much. (St Peter's Square is da bomb compared to the piazza in front of the Lateran, of course.)

    Lovely professional images of the Lateran: https://www.goteamjosh.com/blog/stjohn
  • Liam
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    And he has now taken canonical possession of his cathedral

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