The Memorial Acclamation
  • henry
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    In my experience, the Memorial Acclamation (and the "Great Amen") are two of the weakest moments of the Mass. What I mean is that, unless a choir is present to sing them, practically nobody in the assembly sings them. They end up, to me, to be interruptions. I heard that the Memorial Acclamation, at least, was a last minute addition by Pope St. Paul VI. Anyone agree?
  • Nobody seems to know the 'true' (ahem) reason it was added, and you're correct that it completely breaks up the flow of the Canon. Some authors claim P6 added it “because it can be found in some Eastern rites.” But that's rather problematic, as it indicates P6 didn't understand the Roman Rite isn't synonymous w/ Eastern rites.
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  • MarkB
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    If the priest celebrant chants "The mystery of faith/Mysterium fidei" and the doxology using the tones in the Roman Missal, then it is very easy for the assembly to respond with the sung acclamation, "We proclaim your Death, O Lord/Mortem tuuam...," and, "Amen," also using the Missal's tones and without instrumental accompaniment.

    When sung like that, those sung moments flow beautifully and are integrated with the entire Eucharistic Prayer.

    At my parish, regardless of what other musical Mass setting we are using, the memorial acclamation and amen are always sung unaccompanied using the tones in the Roman Missal, and the priest always chants the Missal's tones that lead seamlessly into those sung responses. The assembly sings them quite well, too.

    The problem you describe occurs when a musical setting is used that requires an instrumental introduction of 1-2 measures to indicate pitch, tempo, and rhythm before the communal singing can begin, as is the case with almost all commercially published Mass settings. In such cases, the memorial acclamation and amen do sound like interruptions in the prayer -- because in those cases they are -- and they have all the musical appeal of a toothpaste commercial jingle.

    The problem you describe is not due to a structural flaw in the reformed Mass. Poor music choices by the music director and terrible commercially published Mass settings are to blame.

    If a music director approaches planning liturgical music with consideration for smooth musical flow in sung prayer, and with consideration for the musical shape of the Mass, then the weakness you describe is easily avoided by steering clear of almost all commercially published settings of the memorial acclamation and the amen.
  • a_f_hawkins
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    There is some info in Bugnini's Reform. Some of the reformers wanted acclamations, though they didn't agree about what and where. And the Pope insisted†, against the majority 'informed' opinion on retaining the words "mystery of faith". So a last minute compromise was what we ended up with!
    I have somewhere an interview of Gelineau by Paul Inwood, in which he says he strongly pushed for acclamations but what we ended up with was utterly absurd.
    †pp370-2 of O'Connell's translation
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  • davido
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    Mark is right, the only reasonable way to approach these is with the missal chants. It still feels like a gratuitous “the plebeians must now participate” moment tho.
  • Some authors also believe the words mysterium fidei may have 'originally' (ahem) been spoken by the deacon, who often 'took care of' the chalice. But, for what it's worth, scholarly consensus has been moving away from this assertion or hypothesis.
  • Liam
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    There's been no problem with the Amen in my experience.

    The MemAcc suffers from the fact that, if there is no program, there's uncertainty about WHICH text will be used, which invites tentativeness rather than ritual habit. I wouldn't miss it....
  • CatholicZ09
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    I think that’s why “Christ has died…” was arguably the most popular acclamation prior to the implementation of the current Missal. While not formally approved for use in the Mass, it was short and memorable for the average congregation.
  • “Christ has died…” was arguably the most popular acclamation prior to the implementation of the current Missal.


    For myself, I think that's a terrible one. It's not in the official text. Christ has just become present on the altar, yet people say: Christ has died, Christ is risen, Christ will come again. - Is Christ not right there on the altar?
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  • Chaswjd
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    I would have thought that a better response acclamation would have been to allow the people to say the Amens after the optional “through Christ our Lord” in the Roman Canon.
  • CatholicZ09
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    Dixit, I think that was part of the issue with that acclamation. First, it snuck into the Mass without any real pushback, like a lot of things in that era. Second, as you said, it shifted the prayer from second to third person, which didn’t make sense.

    That said, I know it was the “go-to” acclamation at least in the parishes around me at the time. I have to say my home parish almost exclusively used that acclamation.
  • I would have thought that a better response acclamation would have been to allow the people to say the Amens after the optional “through Christ our Lord” in the Roman Canon.


    THIS.
  • henry
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    I think what MarkB said makes a lot of sense.
  • a_f_hawkins
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    acclamation ; a loud eager expression of approval, praise, or assent (Merriam-Webster)
    'We proclaim ...' is a description of an acclamation, while 'Christ has died ...' is exactly that same acclamation, in the form of an acclamation.
    And it was official, in English.

    We have had this discussion before on the forum, but I can't find it.
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  • is exactly that same acclamation,


    No, one's in the 2nd person (the voice one uses when one speaks to someone who's present) but the other's in the 3rd person (frequently used to speak about somebody). An important 'clue' to the vocative case (2nd person) is the “O Lord” part. We proclaim Your death, O Lord…
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  • DL
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    Was it (is it still?) only in Ireland that “My Lord and my God” was a fourth option? Very pious and proper.
  • a_f_hawkins
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    Yes, still there
    Only in Ireland 4. My Lord and my God.
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  • lmassery
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    I do a version of what Mark B said- I often sing the Roman missal “we proclaim” using the same tones as the priest, regardless of what other ordinary I’m using. It feels much more connected and seamless that way.
  • David AndrewDavid Andrew
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    We use the missal chants, accompanied. I try to use “We proclaim” for the majority of Masses, “When we eat” when the texts of the Mass reflect a Eucharistic nature (such as the weeks of the “Bread of Life” discourse, and on Holy Thursday), and “Save us” for the Lenten season. Also, I hold the accompanying chord for a pulse before starting the chant, and hold the first word slightly just as an encouragement for greater ease of participation.

    Also, the priest chants the entire Eucharistic prayer.
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  • Liam
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    I've certainly encountered the following seasonal application of the acclamations:

    Advent/Christmastide: We proclaim your death, O Lord, and profess your resurrection until you come again.
    Paschaltide (Lent/Eastertide): Save us, Savior of the world, for by your cross and resurrection you have set us free.
    Ordinary Time: When we eat this bread and drink this cup, we proclaim your death, O Lord, until you come again.
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  • ServiamScores
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    At my parish, regardless of what other musical Mass setting we are using, the memorial acclamation and amen are always sung unaccompanied using the tones in the Roman Missal, and the priest always chants the Missal's tones that lead seamlessly into those sung responses. The assembly sings them quite well, too.
    Ditto. One of the first things I did when I arrived here was strip the awkward acclamations and accompanied “great amen”. 8 months later, everyone sings the missal responses well.

    They flow very naturally in the moment. Instrumental / protracted ones dont.

    The singular exception to this is if you have a mass setting that is evocative of chant, and you give the priest the pitch subtly as he begins his part, such that the response with organ flows immediately without introduction in the same key. It’s the same concept as incipits for the Gloria, for instance. If you can set a key and then just flow immediately after the incipit, it works. Barring this delicate arrangement with a competent priest, anything but the missal chants feels like an intrusion to the prayers of consecration, frankly.
  • MatthewRoth
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    I don’t have a huge dog in the fight, but I would be OK only doing Mortem tuam or at worst the English. Having to guess the text or look at something right after the consecration is a pain.

    As to settings: it’s bizarre that it’s allowed given that even polyphonic or fauxbourdon responses for Vespers (like the beautiful Victoria Domine, ad adjuvandum which we used at the Colloquium in Indy ages ago) are shunned after Pius X! No other similar part of the Mass can be replaced with composed music.
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  • tandrews
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    Advent/Christmastide: We proclaim your death, O Lord, and profess your resurrection until you come again.
    Paschaltide (Lent/Eastertide): Save us, Savior of the world, for by your cross and resurrection you have set us free.
    Ordinary Time: When we eat this bread and drink this cup, we proclaim your death, O Lord, until you come again.


    Ditto.