Bilingual Hymnody
  • GerardH
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    I don't operate in a bilingual environment, but I know many forum members do. A note from the preface of the recently-published Revised English Hymnal caught my attention. Emphasis added:
    We have included several Welsh hymns in their original language as well as in English translation. In The English Hymnal, Vaughan Williams brought many Welsh tunes to English congregations, but they have not, so far, been able to enjoy some of the many fine Welsh texts. Two such have been specially translated into English for this collection. Bilingual hymns work best when English and Welsh speakers sing them simultaneously in their preferred language, without trying to alternate languages or merely include a token Welsh verse. The result is a wonderful and uplifting sound. We hope that Welsh-speaking members of (or visitors to) predominately English-speaking congregations will feel empowered to sing the hymns we have provided in the language of their homeland.

    Has anyone has tried the approach described? Any other thoughts?
  • trentonjconn
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    A certain tower comes to mind...
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  • irishtenoririshtenor
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    Sounds like madness. Who says that bilingual hymns work best when folks sing in different languages simultaneously?
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  • GerardH
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    Who says that bilingual hymns work best when folks sing in different languages simultaneously?

    The editors...
    Has anyone ever tried it?
  • ServiamScores
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    I can tell you that merely attempting to recite the our father in two languages at once is quite… something. I cannot say that I recommend it.
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  • Liam
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    The only experience I've had is not sung, but the practice for some years at a former (university) parish of mine where at Mass on Pentecost only the celebrant would invite everyone to recite the Our Father in his/her own mother tongue while the celebrant recited it in Latin. Given that the parish had a not insignificant presence of people who had non-English mother tongues, it was lovely but not nearly the same thing being described above.
  • ronkrisman
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    My first experience of this was at St. Severin in Paris in 1973. The order of worship presented the strophic hymns in French, German, English, and Italian. The folks were invited to sing in any of the four. And ten years ago St. Severin was still doing this.

    I know of a parish that uses the Engligh-Spanish hymnal for which I served as general editor where the folks sing in either language.

    I would hazard to say that this practice does not work well where the singing is weak or the acoustics are not reverberant. Also there can't be a song leader singing in one of the languages into a microphone!

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  • MatthewRoth
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    I don’t know about Saint-Séverin but that unfortunately is a bad habit of major French churches despite the excellent acoustics in virtually all of them (and where there are bad acoustics, it’s mostly the sermon which is problematic, not singing).
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  • noel jones, aagonoel jones, aago
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    Fr. Krisman is much too humble about his Spanish/English hymnal. It is very popular in parishes but also used for diocesan events, and often found in Spanish resource diocesan offices.

    https://giamusic.com/resource/oramos-cantando-we-pray-in-song-pew-edition-hymnal-g7400
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  • monasteryliturgistmonasteryliturgist
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    I find that most congregations have a hard time singing in one language unified, two doesnt sound like a good idea. Have you ever been to a spanish mass where the hymns are being sung in about 10 different tonalities, and prayers at about 20 different speeds? I think it makes things distracting. The liturgy should help prayer, not distract.
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  • irishtenoririshtenor
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    I found Fr. Krisman's work on Oramos Cantando to be very helpful. I'm not in a position to use it anymore, but when I was working in an environment where English and Spanish needed to co-exist, it was a great resource.
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  • Fletcher
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    Occasions for this will presumably be fairly few and far between beyond those parishes that operate in a genuinely bilingual way.
    I've sung Stille Nacht in different languages, sometimes with a German verse, a French verse, and so on. Singing two (or more?) languages simultaneously sounds like a gimmick. Surely, it would be better to alternate languages.
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