Mass in Honor of the Nativity -- Rev. L.A. Dobbelsteen. Thoughts?
  • vansensei
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    https://s9.imslp.org/files/imglnks/usimg/4/42/IMSLP553705-PMLP892872-DobbelsteenNativity.pdf

    It is a Mass setting based on Christmas carols. It's interesting. It both makes sense and it doesn't at the same time.
  • I like the Kyrie.
  • StimsonInRehabStimsonInRehab
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    It reminds me of another similar Christmas/Epiphany setting of the mas I’ve always enjoyed, the Mass of the Three Kings by Alfred Pilot:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WtSxAY3A7Qc
  • too schmaltzy for my taste.
  • any link to the score of the Pilot mass?
    D.
  • Jeffrey Quick
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    Yeah,I stuck that one up. Not too impressed. I'm not fond of the concept, so how well or not it was executed is secondary. But if you like the idea, Schehl is better worked-out: https://imslp.org/imglnks/restimg/f/f7/5cc9-PMLP829039-SchehlXmas2F.pdf. Even James Korman is better. https://imslp.org/imglnks/restimg/c/ca/5a76-PMLP1019902-KormanXmasMassLat.pdf
    Thanked by 1NihilNominis
  • StimsonInRehabStimsonInRehab
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    Voces - you might message Jacob Flaherty. His old parish (Holy Childhood in the Twin Cities) made this recording, so I imagine he would know somebody who would have access. There’s actually a YouTube channel of all the music done at Holy Childhood over the years; it’s a real treasure trove.

    https://m.youtube.com/@schmitzd04
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  • Jeffrey, indeed ... i heard the Pilot mass, ... and I prefer the Korman. Would you perhaps also have the 2 voice version?
    Dirk
  • Jeffrey Quick
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    If I had it, it would be on IMSLP.
  • NihilNominisNihilNominis
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    In 2021, up in Sleepy Eye, Minnesota, we did the Sanctus from Korman’s Christmas Carol Mass for the TLM Midnight Mass.

    The scores were marked “Christmas 1944” in my predecessor Lady Clara Schroepfer’s (DCSG) handwriting.

    At the Christmas party with the parish’s legacy choir, the Caecilian Choir, following the 8pm Mass on Christmas Eve, I brought up that the TLM choir were going to sing that Sanctus in just a few hours, that I had found it in the files, what was written on the scores, etc.

    A history buff in the group remarked, “then that’s what they were singing while the boys were fighting the Battle of the Bulge.” I found that connection very moving, trying to imagine how their loved ones at home on the prairie experienced singing this music with that context back then.

    More touchingly, my oldest-timer, one of the legacy members of the parish choir, whose family anchored going back to 1910 at least, and who had personally sung in the Caecilian Choir since 1959, when he heard that we were singing it, ending up coming back at Midnight, with his wife, to sing at the TLM with the Stella Maris choir, just to sing this piece he hadn’t sung since he was a boy, which he sang with vigor and, I think, a tear in his eye.*

    He had and shared many memories of those men and women, long since gone to the Lord, who had always taken the solos, remembered them with such color and life that I knew, invisibly with the angels and Saints, they were standing next to us in that loft they loved so well, taking up their old parts with inexpressible love, and that we too stood in that moment of fragile time ready some day to join them.

    Life and death, time and eternity seemed almost to touch, the line between them as thin it was to those boys facing German guns in the Ardennes, on a cold Christmas night, while their dear ones sang this love song to the Infant Prince of Peace, praying that the empty seat at their Christmas dinner table would not be empty forever.

    Christmas is already a thin place, and this was therefore an experience that hit me at the very deepest level and still brings tears when I consider what a beautiful moment it truly was.

    Here is the recording.

    *He is the tenor who really stands out. And that is my favorite part of this recording.
    Korman Christmas Sanctus SESM 2021.mp3
    2M
  • ServiamScores
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    Vansensei, I confess I'm not a fan. I tried to play through bits of it but it feels pretty forced and contrived to me.

    The title at the top of the PDF made me chuckle though:
    This Mass is the largest selling Mass ever published in the 20 centuries of the Catholic Church, excepting Gregorian Chant


    No doubt a few more modern contenders handily took the crown.
  • ServiamScores
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    Also, these remind me of the (rather fascinating, if unsettling) FB group called "shouldn't be a Kyrie". My favorite is the theme from the Munsters.