“He will set up a counter-Church which will be the ape of the Church because, he the devil, is the ape of God. It will have all the notes and characteristics of the Church, but in reverse and emptied of its divine content. It will be a mystical body of the anti-Christ that will in all externals resemble the mystical body of Christ. In desperate need for God, whom he nevertheless refuses to adore, modern man in his loneliness and frustration will hunger more and more for membership in a community that will give him enlargement of purpose, but at the cost of losing himself in some vague collectivity.”
Fulton Sheen
I have read a comment by Fr K Peclers that the only amendment they made to Burkhardt;s Curial rubrics for Low Mass was to remove a couple of references to bystanders.... besides other decrees of the sacred Council of Trent, there were stipulations for Us to revise and re-edit the sacred books: the Catechism, the Missal and the Breviary. ... [Catechism & Breviary done.] therefore ...
We decided to entrust this work to learned men of our selection. They very carefully collated all their work with the ancient codices in Our Vatican Library and with reliable, preserved or emended codices from elsewhere. Besides this, these men consulted the works of ancient and approved authors concerning the same sacred rites; and thus they have restored the Missal itself to the original form and rite of the holy Fathers. When this work has been gone over numerous times and further emended, after serious study and reflection, We commanded that the finished product be printed and published as soon as possible, so that all might enjoy the fruits of this labor; and thus, priests would know which prayers to use and which rites and ceremonies they were required to observe from now on in the celebration of Masses.
Different times. The Reformation was an interconnected (if rival) set of heresies about the sacraments. Politically there was little change.How did the two sets of scholars and experts consulting original sources come to such different conclusions and dissimilar products?
If the NO is an APE of the real Mass and a mistake from start to finish, and we are all just waiting around for the prophesied return of the pre-conciliar Mass, then it doesn't seem to me that there is much point to this forum, or this organization, anymore. That's not meant to be harsh - just pragmatic. Just go do EF music, and be done with it, and be happy. I definitely understand the desire to just open up the Graduale Romanum, sing what's there, and go home. Because working in the NO is complicated, and there are compromises, etc., etc. But if you really believe it is just something that needs to be discarded, I'm not sure what there is to talk about anymore.
FWIW, we do Gregorian Chant every single week, in large amounts, at my NO parish, and there has not been any revolt or even controversy. Sometimes you need to get out more.
One can hold two things to be true at the same time, and one must also play the hand one was dealt. I would love to see the old Rite restored (or even perhaps a form of the old rite that was carefully reformed closer in accord to what the council fathers likely had in mind). But I have to live and breathe the NO, so I also want to make it the best that it can be for what it is. I want it to be august and holy, as Our Lord is indeed there, even if I can't help but feel He might might have had different designs had human hearts been more supple to the whisperings of the Holy Ghost at/after the council.If the NO is an APE of the real Mass and a mistake from start to finish, and we are all just waiting around for the prophesied return of the pre-conciliar Mass, then it doesn't seem to me that there is much point to this forum, or this organization, anymore.
But if you really believe it is just something that needs to be discarded, I'm not sure what there is to talk about anymore.
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