Graduale Novum and Triplex pdf downloads
  • MarkB
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    These work. Follow the instructions, including waiting 30 seconds and completing the captcha, then you will be able to download the files.

    Graduale Novum:
    https://pdfcoffee.com/graduale-novum-2-pdf-free.html

    Graduale Triplex:
    https://pdfcoffee.com/graduale-triplex-1976-pdf-free.html
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  • smvanroodesmvanroode
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    Graduale Triplex also at https://archive.org/details/gradualetriplexs0000cath
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  • SuscipeMeDomine
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    This Graduale Novum is very interesting - certainly easier to read than the Triplex! Can anybody comment on the absence of the Gloria Patri at the Introits? As well as the deletion of the asterisks for the incipits?
  • tomjaw
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    @SuscipeMeDomine
    I think the N.O mass omits the Gloria Patri at the Introit. Also the cantor / choir arrangement may not fit in with the new 'ecclesiology' that is part and parcel of the N.O. so is also omitted.
  • GerardH
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    @tomjaw, you're completely mistaken re the Gloria Patri.

    From the Ordo Cantus Missae (1987):
    Populo congregato, et sacerdote cum ministris ad altare accedente, incipitur antiphona ad introitum. Eius intonatio brevior vel magis protracta pro opportunitate fieri potest, vel, melius, cantus potest ab omnibus simul inchoari. Asteriscus proinde, qui ad partem intonationis ignificandam in Graduali invenitur, signum habendum est solummodo indicativum.

    Antiphona a choro decantata, versus a cantore vel a cantoribus proferatur, ac deinde antiphona resumatur a choro.

    Huiusmodi antiphonre et versiculorum alternatio haberi potest quoties sufficit ad processionem comitandam. Attamen antequam antiphona in fine repetatur cantari potest, ut ultimus versus, Gloria Patri, Sicut erat, per modum unius decantatus. Si autem Gloria Patri peculiarem habet terminationem melodicam, haec eadem terminatio in omnibus versiculis adhibenda est.

    Si contingat ex versu Gloria Patri et antiphonae iteratione cantum nimis protrahi, omittitur doxologia. Si autem processio brevior est, unus tantum psalmi versus adhibetur, vel etiam sola antiphona, nullo addito versu.

    Quoties vero liturgica processio Missam praecedit, antiphona ad introitum canitur dum processio ingreditur ecclesiam, vel etiam omittitur, prout singulis in casibus in libris liturgicis providetur.

    And via Google Translate (mostly):
    When the people are assembled, and the priest and the ministers approach the altar, the antiphon begins at the entrance. Its intonation can be made shorter or more prolonged according to the occasion, or, better, the chant can be started by all at the same time. Hence the asterisk, which is found in the Gradual to mark the part of the intonation, is to be regarded as an indicative sign only.

    After the antiphon is sung by the choir, the verse is recited by the singer or singers, and then the antiphon is resumed by the choir.

    Such an alternation of antiphons and verses may be had as often as is sufficient to accompany the procession. However, before the antiphon is repeated at the end, it can be sung, as the last verse, Gloria Patri, Sicut erat, can be sung in the manner of one. But if the Gloria Patri has a particular melodic ending, this same ending must be used in all the verses.

    If it happens that the song is too long due to the repetition of the Gloria Patri verse and the antiphon, the doxology is omitted. But if the procession is shorter, only one verse of the psalm is used, or even only the antiphons, without any additional verse.

    Whenever the liturgical procession precedes the Mass, the antiphon is sung at the entrance while the procession enters the church, or is omitted, as provided for in each case in the liturgical books.

    Your remarks about "cantor/choir arrangement" are unclear - do you mean the dynamic between cantor and choir, or the dynamic between cantor or choir and congregation?
  • GerardH
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    As to why the Graduale Novum leaves the GPs out altogether, who can say? The 1974 Graduale Romanum has them.
  • monasteryliturgistmonasteryliturgist
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    What I have learned is that the Gradual Novum is trying to be a purist, sticking strictly to the manuscripts as well as all the information gained from 40 years of studies- and since the manuscripts don't necessarily have an incipit they have excluded it, as well as because in some vocal traditions the incipit could be different. A very common example is the Sub Tuum Praesidium. The incipit technically is after "confugimus" but almost every religious congregation enters after "praesidium" not "confugimus" . Or the Sanctus- some place enter after the third Sanctus, some after the first.
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  • tomjaw
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    @GerardH Sorry I have not been to the N.O. Mass for over 25 years... Looking at the GR 1974 and the Gregorian Missal, they omit the Gloria Patri in the music, but I now notice they tell you you can sing it if you want...

    As for the Incipit, with the new ecclesiology we MUST have 'active' participation, and listening to the choir / cantor is not now counted a participation...
  • SuscipeMeDomine
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    Thank you all for your responses.

    Another thing I have noticed is that the Graduale Novum has less variety in the neumes than the same chants from Gregor und Taube. Does anybody know why this is?
  • FSSPmusic
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    They made an editorial decision to retain the style of notation used in the Vatican edition. The interpreter is expected to refer to the adiastematic neumes for the rhythm.
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  • SuscipeMeDomine
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    I suppose that makes some sense for consistency. Why did Dom Pothier and the editors of the Vatican edition express some adiastematic neumes, such as the quilisma and liquesence, but not others? Moving forward, would it be possible to just express all the nuances of the adiastematic neumes in quadratic notation?
  • FSSPmusic
    Posts: 217
    Moving forward, would it be possible to just express all the nuances of the adiastematic neumes in quadratic notation?
    Why not? It's what I'm trying to do with the Cantatorium project.
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