Suggestions for first Sunday with new organ
  • ServiamScores
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    Greetings all,
    Next Sunday is slated to be our first Sunday with our new organ. I've been trying to think of what would be fun hymn arrangements to do up rather grand, because, well, you only get to kick off a new organ every so often. I'm looking for suggestions of good hymn arrangements that might be compatible with congregational singing.

    So far, I've come up with opening the mass with RVW's Old 100th, (can't beat it!) and then possibly doing Ryan Herbert's recent arrangement of Coe Fen / How Shall I Sing That Majesty published by St. James Music Press during communion. (I'll have to tame the registrations it to make it appropriate, but the text is very good.) We are slated to end with Lauda Anima sung to the text "Holy Michæl, Great Archangel" with a big reharm for verse 2 and a buildup to the end, before launching into the Vierne Finale. The Lauda Anima & Coe Fen are up for grabs, however, and I have nothing for offertory.

    Thoughts?
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  • DL
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    What about “O praise ye the Lord”, to Parry’s Laudate Dominum? It mentions organs (loud organs His glory forth tell in deep tone) - and I see there are alternative texts which go on on to mention trumpets, too (I am used to “sweet harps” at that point), so a chance to whip out any en chamades you might have to hand. There is a last verse harmonisation in the New English Hymnal at no.427. It is a good offertory number, and admits of some improvising as needed between the end of v 3 and the launch into the final verse, if that sort of thing floats your boat.
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  • ServiamScores
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    Sold.

    I hadn't thought of that, but ironically, we will have it at the end of confirmation in a few weeks, and perhaps it would be good to sing it with the congregation before the bishop comes, lol! I can bump the St. Michæl / Lauda Anima to Offertory.
  • Casavant Organist
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    Can't beat Proulx - O God beyond all praising, too.
    If you have a lot of time and a beefy choir then the anthem from which the Parry comes - Hear my words, ye people - is a really cool choice too. Awesome intro, just a totally awesome piece.

    Or, of course, Blest Pair of Sirens is awesome too.

    But alas, these aren't congregational...

    Do you have brass for this one too?
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  • Nathan_the_Organist
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    Who needs brass when you got a new organ?

    (Only half joking).
  • Nathan_the_Organist
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    Also, what are your planned prelude(s) and postlude for the new organ?
  • Chris Garton-Zavesky
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    I can't think of the names of the other tunes, but St. Patrick's Breastplate would be worth showing off the new organ for, and the texts that popped in my head were "Once to ev'ry man and nation" and "Turn back, O Man"
  • ServiamScores
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    Prelude is still up for grabs. I figured I might just do an improvisation featuring lots of different sounds; we are limited on this front though because Rosaries are being led before mass for the month of October, so I only have a short time available to me compared to normal.

    Postlude is the Vierne Finale. I haven’t perfectly cemented it yet, I’m afraid, but it should fall squarely in the “good enough” category. (Most people won’t stick around to hear it anyway, alas.)
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  • Nathan_the_Organist
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    It's a good choice. What you say also reminds me of a joke I once heard:

    What do you call a musician whose audience leaves mid performance?

    An organist.
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  • ServiamScores
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    Someone told me this joke just yesterday:

    How many music directors does it take to change a lightbulb?
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    No one knows, because no one has ever looked at the directors to find out (and even if they did, no one can count anyway!)
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  • PhilipPowell
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    I think Thalben-Ball's Elegy is a great prelude to show off an organ.
  • tandrews
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    4' 33"
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  • GambaGamba
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    I would say make sure to play a significant amount of sub-fortissimo music. After all, that is part of the beauty of a really good organ, that it can provide so many beautiful colors at any dynamic level for any occasion, all the way down to accompanying a child singing a solo, or the last phrase of Silent Night on Christmas Eve. For me, when a new organ is heard for the first time, I hope people leave overjoyed by the wealth of beauty of every kind they have heard, and with the idea that this organ will help them to pray when they are mourning, as well as when they are celebrating. I think that’s a much better first impression than 100% Shock and Awe, which quickly turns into “that new organ is too damn loud; let me talk to Father….”
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  • CHGiffenCHGiffen
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    4'33"
    I had the score for this once, but somehow the three movements ended up in the tacet urn.
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  • ServiamScores
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    Gamba, while the RVW old 100th will certainly kick us off to a joyous start, and the Parry will end us that way too, I was definitely going to keep it restrained in the middle. Use the organ more for text painting than bombarding.
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  • CharlesW
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    I have said this before, but my organ professor said for the postlude, push on the sforzando and put your elbows on the Great. They will never know the difference as they rush out the door.
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  • cesarfranck
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    I am late to this discussion. My idea for a prelude would be to play several very short pieces which highlight as many different registrations and "sounds" as possible and yet nothing so bombastic or loud as to "shock" the ears of those in the pews. This will be their first time hearing the new organ and I imagine it is much different than what has been familiar to them. As an example, a short French Baroque suite, Rhosymedre by RWV, and "In Thee Is Gladness" from Bach's Orgelbuchlein. All of the hymn tunes you have listed are awesome. If you don't mind Germanic, JG Walther's Organ Concertos are relatively brief. joyous. and can be registered in many unique ways to display the colors of this new instrument.
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  • ServiamScores
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    I love the idea of the Walther concertos.
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  • ServiamScores
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    Well, the first Sunday with the new organ went well.

    (While I did get one gentle rebuke from someone with hearing aids who also has a special listening device that he slides onto the ambo… you can’t please everyone, and you can’t register the organ to please someone with hearing aids… and conversely, I was told that multiple people had tears in their eyes from joy.)

    We did Parry’s Sing Praise to the Lord to open (with two delightful reharms for verses 3&4). For the first time ever I could appropriately handle there text painting for “loud organs tell forth in deep tone…” etc.)

    Offertory was a setting of Lauda Anima with a delightful trope of the St. Michael the Archangel prayer for the text. Again, a lush reharm was a part of this.

    Communion was my own Laudate Dominum which is quite popular at the parish. I kept the organ quite restrained for this. https://youtu.be/DMg2GJyAiCQ

    And lastly we ended with Alleluia Sing to Jesus (Hyfrydol) since it is so well known and loved.

    Postlude was the Vierne Finale and I probably had 30 people stick around to listen until the end at the 11am mass, which was unusual and appreciated.

    We still have a lot more voicing work to do to really get it sounding it’s best, but all in all it was the best organ music making the parish has ever known.

    The icing on the cake, however, was Father’s extended homily on sacred music, reiterating the importance of the organ, and explaining just how important it is that we do so much chanting and how this is really one of the things that makes our parish stand out. I’ll repost it here once it glows like on the parish’s website.
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  • ServiamScores
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    As promised, here is the lovely sermon offered by our priest where he addresses the importance of liturgical music and glorifying God, rather than ourselves:
    https://www.stjohncatholic.com/single-post/sermon-glorying-in-the-lord-rather-than-ourselves

    It was an excellent sermon for the first Sunday with our new organ, and a boon to our little choir that has worked so hard, especially on learning how to chant. They, too, have long suffered under our old instrument, so it was a pleasure for them to finally have the support of an instrument that is actually capable of supporting them in an august way.

    It is a real point of pride for me – and hopefully for you too – that our parish has been on the forefront of this important step forward for Catholic sacred music: singing the texts from Sacred Scripture appointed by the Church according to melodies that more closely approximate the approved melodies of Gregorian Chant.
    (Here is is speaking of Fr. Weber's collection of propers which we have been using every week for nearly four years now.)

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  • StimsonInRehabStimsonInRehab
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    You are truly blessed with your priest, Serviam.
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  • ServiamScores
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    Yes; yes I am.
  • Jani
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    Your parish is blessed with you- love that Laudate Dominum!
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  • ServiamScores
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    I plan on making that publicly available soon. I get messages about it frequently.

    It is based on my alleluia for the feast of Christ the King, which is very popular at the parish, and includes a fun choral coda that my choir LOVES to sing. It’s now turned into our “Alleluia for special occasions”.

    Here’s a truncated recording that goes straight from the refrain into the coda to get a sense of it:

    https://youtu.be/BseoiCeOCbo
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  • Nathan_the_Organist
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    Serviam, I have an interesting question regarding the new organ. I remember in another thread (though I can't find which one) you had said you were getting the new Rodgers Infinity 367. I recently played an Infinity 361. It had a really weird pedal board: one of Rodgers velocity sensitive ones that had almost no resistance when I pressed a pedal. Does yours have this same setup and how was getting used to the weird pedal board?
  • ServiamScores
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    Mine is technically velocity sensitive for some of the midi sounds (not my cup of tea) but it is a perfectly normal pedalboard in every other respect. "If you didn't know, you wouldn't know." Perfectly to AGO spec, just with some additional electronics under the hood if you want to leverage them. It is actually rather stiff, if I'm honest, and I do wish that the differential in height between the sharps and naturals was a little more (not the sharps themselves, but rather the low part of the pedals that sits down between the naturals). That differential is a little shallower than my older pedalboard so a rogue heel has bumped a pedal once or twice. But I reiterate that it is a perfectly normal AGO concave, radiating pedalboard, with "standard-to-firm" spring resistance. No funny business.

    I have to say that I quite love the new instrument. It needs some additional voicing, which will likely occur after Christmas. The installers already spent approx. 2 days voicing, and then we had to leave it due to time reasons, and I needed to live with it a bit more. But there is a lot to really like. It helps, however, that our installation is more on the premium end, with an east-end antiphonal and solo division (covered by matching pipe facades) and another 8 or 10 channels in the back. We also upgraded to nicer keyboards, an adjustable bench, and moving drawknobs, so the whole thing presents itself really well. I'm very pleased.
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  • ServiamScores
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    I just added some images to Google here, if you'd like to see the new instrument. I'm sorry they uploaded low-res. Not sure what the deal is with that.

    Console
    https://www.google.com/maps/place/St.+John+the+Evangelist+Catholic+Church/@41.5815065,-85.834689,3a,75y,90t/data=!3m8!1e2!3m6!1sAF1QipNY-hBvsXxgRXLs5U1wNKybI8ZIE_NoSNNqZrh8!2e10!3e12!6shttps://lh5.googleusercontent.com/p/AF1QipNY-hBvsXxgRXLs5U1wNKybI8ZIE_NoSNNqZrh8=w203-h270-k-no!7i3024!8i4032!4m7!3m6!1s0x0:0xc6fef78cab624425!8m2!3d41.5815764!4d-85.8348815!14m1!1BCgIgARICGAI#

    Dual Facades
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    Facade closeup
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    Facade with filigree side screen
    https://www.google.com/maps/place/St.+John+the+Evangelist+Catholic+Church/@41.5815065,-85.834689,3a,75y,90t/data=!3m8!1e2!3m6!1sAF1QipNRqJLOC31u8CC4ErhKFlpvsmT_jMgzNDc330kU!2e10!3e12!6shttps://lh5.googleusercontent.com/p/AF1QipNRqJLOC31u8CC4ErhKFlpvsmT_jMgzNDc330kU=w203-h270-k-no!7i2866!8i3822!4m7!3m6!1s0x0:0xc6fef78cab624425!8m2!3d41.5815764!4d-85.8348815!14m1!1BCgIgARICGAI#
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  • Nathan_the_Organist
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    I'm glad they improved the pedalboards. I never used any of the midi voices on the one I played. The pedals had no weight and it really messed with my playing.
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  • CharlesW
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    My home Rodgers is getting long in the tooth these days, but it has a magnetic pedalboard. Those springs will loosen over time but removing the back cover over the pedals exposes the screws that tighten the springs. I wondered if they are still using that design. The new organ looks good. Wish you much happy playing on it.
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  • davido
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    Very nice pics. Bet you love that carpet…
  • ServiamScores
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    Yea… we want that to go. Fortunately, it is very short pile, and it has been tramped almost to a hard floor covering anyway. We have surprisingly nice acoustics, actually, because our walls and ceiling vault are real plaster, which is pretty hard. We could do a lot worse, in all honesty. Eventually we’d like to rip out the carpet and restore the communion rail, and post Covid cleaning protocols, our pews could use refinishing too.
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