Does anyone know an indexed resource for chants and their scripture?
  • ServiamScores
    Posts: 2,890
    Greetings all--
    I'm wondering if anyone can point me to a resource where I could cross-reference scripture passages with chants and their incipits. As some of you may know, I've recently started to compose psalm settings for use within the novus ordo missæ that are heavily based upon their corresponding graduals (see:https://www.psallitedomino.com/serviamscores/a-refreshed-approach-to-modern-psalmody).

    Sometimes, however, things don't line up nicely and I have to reverse engineer or reference other weeks. In other words, the gradual may be one thing, but the lectionary calls for XX psalm, which is actually set as a gradual elsewhere in the VO cycle. Last week (11th OT, B) the Gregorian missal could point me to the gradual for the 21st Sunday in OT "Bonum est confitéri" which matches the psalm text. For the 12th Sunday however, the missal doesn't give me a direct reference to a matching text. I'd like to search if there is any chant that references the psalm refrain text "give thanks to the Lord, His love is everlasting" (Ps 107). Considering the ubiquity of this phrase, I feel confident in betting that it is set as a chant elsewhere. Even if it is not a gradual, I'd still like to use an original chant as the inspiration for a new setting.

    Any help would be appreciated.
  • tomjaw
    Posts: 2,782
    You could use Gregobase, https://gregobase.selapa.net/scores.php if you covert the English in to Latin.

    This may also be of use, http://gregorianik.uni-regensburg.de/gr/ and http://gregorianik.uni-regensburg.de/an/
  • ServiamScores
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    Tom, I just was on grego base which is a tool I love. The problem is you have to know what you're looking for already. I can't search "psalm 107" to see if anything pops up. In this case, I've found a tract "confitemini domino quoniam bonus" which is what I need for this week. But it gets tricky sometimes. It looks like your second link will be helpful and is more/less what I was hoping for. As long as I can reverse engineer the proper incipit, I can find the source chants on grego. It's the former part of the process which was my stumbling block. Thanks!
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  • tomjaw
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    I looked up the Latin text for Psalm 107, and recognised Confitemini... this has another list of Propers with Psalm references, so will miss the Office and other chants not indexed by Matthew Hazell
    https://www.academia.edu/11912803/Readings_and_other_biblical_material_of_the_Missale_Romanum_1962_
  • a_f_hawkins
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    The Regensburg sites allow searching by Bible source.
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  • Mora
    Posts: 14
    Gregorien is also a fantastic resource:
    https://gregorien.info/bible/id/20/0/en
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  • CCoozeCCooze
    Posts: 1,259
    I'm not sure I understand the question.
    Would the Gregorian Missal not be helpful for this?
  • ServiamScores
    Posts: 2,890
    I have a gregorian missal and use it daily; the problem is the graduals don't always match the psalm text. If you don't know the incipit to begin with, it's difficult to find a corresponding chant elsewhere. There's also no scriptural index in the back, so I couldn't search Psalm 107 and see which chants reference it. This latter type of index is what I was seeking.
  • a_f_hawkins
    Posts: 3,471
    ServiamScores
    1) the lectionary gives the responsorial psalm 106, using v1 as the antiphon.
    2) The Regensburg collection of Graduals, referenced by @tomjaw can be searched by psalm number,
    [EDIT at this point I got confused, because the RP antiphon omits the phrase "for he is good" ]
    so - the Vulgate says :
    alleluia confitemini Domino quoniam bonus quoniam in saeculum misericordia eius (Ps. 106:1 VULM)
    3) try a search on "confitemini Domino" (not just as incipit)
    that gives me four of six possibilities, none of which is referenced as Ps 106
    The GR verse of Easter Day
    The AL verse of Easter Vigil
    The AL of St Mark - 25 April
    The TR of the Chrism Mass
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  • ServiamScores
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    Tomjaw, did you download that document directly? I get directed to academia.edu but it is trying to force me to create an account, and to do so, one of the conditions is that they get to harvest all my contacts' info. I'm not comfortable with that. If you have the doc, I'd really appreciate it if you could share it here.
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  • joerg
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    Marbach's Carmina Scripturarum
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  • ServiamScores
    Posts: 2,890
    Thank you Joerg. I should clarify that I’ve long moved on from the chant mentioned in the OP and I’m composing new works based on other chants now.
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