Prayers: Pastor of St. Eugene-St. Cecilia arrested for Covid violations; under canonical review too
  • Chrism
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    The details at the melancholic-choleric Rorate caeli blog here.

    Posted mostly for prayers, but as I imagine a lively discussion will ensue as well, please remember that this calamity was brought upon us by an anonymous person who observed the situation and made a complaint, and (if my inference was not altogether clear already) that anonymous persons do often observe our discussions as well.
  • Kathy
    Posts: 5,289
    I don't understand why folks just can't follow these rules for now.

    I would love to attend the TLM nearby perhaps once a week, as has been my custom for some years. But since no one wears a mask or keeps any kind of physical distance there, I only attend the Novus Ordo.
  • I have no words, except to promise prayers for these priests and to ask prayers for my own area where the restrictions are only tightening and making life even less livable.
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  • MatthewRoth
    Posts: 1,328
    I will say this: New Catholic's disrespect of Mgr Aupetit is both something that only a schoolyard bully could say and is something worthy of immense shame, and I suppose it is for this reason that NC writes anonymously.

    I don't understand why folks just can't follow these rules for now.


    Because the rules are annoying, incoherent, and cause all sorts of other problems, and on top of this, even if we were to be obedient to a T, the government isn't going to negotiate in good faith; they certainly tried to delay reopening public worship in May 2020, and then they took their sweet time to sit down with the bishops in November, after the Conseil d'État ordered the government to allow public worship. Finally, the prime minister refused, at first, to walk back a capacity limit that Macron had promised to repeal in a late-night phone call to the president of the French episcopal conference.

    The best example of the annoyance is how it affects children. I haven't met anyone who can effectively discipline their child wearing a mask, certainly not in church, and "talking louder" while wearing a mask is inconsistent with not spraying particles everywhere.

    Then there's communion. One is supposed to receive on the hand in many French diocesess; an understanding, implicit or otherwise, has been reached in trad or conservative dioceses, but it's not being advertised. In my local parish, the ministers distribute starting in the back, and they just sort of drop the host into your hand.

    We haven't had holy water available in most churches since the lockdown ended in May 2020.

    This might be perceived as a minor annoyance, but seeing everyone masked in the sanctuary is extremely ugly for many people.

    This said, I find masks to be the path of least resistance, but the government is going to get fussy over seating, which, OK, the benefit to me has been seeing how much better it is with fewer benches and chairs. But I'd prefer that this come from our end and not because of coronavirus measures.
  • CCoozeCCooze
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    ...for now.


    Because it's obviously a garbage rule. People have been wearing masks so much and told that everyone who does not is going to cause their demise that some people may never leave home without them, again. I see individual persons walking their dogs or going for a run, and they even wear masks. What on earth?

    We've been told since the church re-opened,
    This [set of rules] is only temporary.

    At what point do we recognize propaganda for what it is and say we aren't going to do it? It's just preposterous. How many times do you hear the same thing repeated to you before realizing, this is the definition of conditioning ?
  • CharlesW
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    The Sunday obligation returns in this diocese at Pentecost, that is unless something happens between now and then to change that. As a Byzantine, I don't care much about Latin obligations and will go back to public worship when I feel it is safe to do so. I have been wearing masks since the pandemic started. Did it help? I don't know but it did me no harm other than fogging my glasses at inconvenient times.
  • Liam
    Posts: 4,206
    My tonsils have never been as invisible in decades. I've loved not having colds and often ensuing weeks of laryingitis. (PS I can certainly recognize propaganda. It often comes from people alleging it most volubly.)
  • a_f_hawkins
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    To repeat myself - the Japanese were conditioned to wearing masks by the Spanish flu epidemic a century ago, and have accepted it as common courtesy to others at any respiratory infection ever since. Death rate per million from this virus : Japan 74 USA 1,723 . No proof of connection of course, could be conincidence.
  • Hawkins,

    I can't dispute the Japanese conditioning data. I can, however, present California where, about a week and a half ago the governor asked us to shelter in place for two weeks to flatten the curve. Statewide, we've been wearing masks, keeping a people-free-zone, and avoiding unnecessary tasks since March 17, 2020, which is a week and a half ago, since that same good governor has told us that we can return to life as normal (except for the masks and the people-free-zones, and vaccination and frequent testing) in June.

    Our case load of alleged COVID cases has led the nation from most of those 10 days.
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  • a_f_hawkins
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    CGZ - it won't work, three weeks is the absolute minimum. Our current lockdown started on the 3rd March, it is likely to be 5 weeks to achieve elimination of unexpected cases (the orange curve, the blue curve is cases in people already in quarantine and under observation)
    Thanked by 1Liam
  • Hawkins,

    Am I reading your chart correctly? It seems to suggest that since so few cases are contracted by travel, we should all be travelling much more than we are!
    Thanked by 2tomjaw francis
  • francisfrancis
    Posts: 9,172
    I am going to Mars. Contacting Mr. Musk tomorrow.
    Thanked by 1ServiamScores
  • a_f_hawkins
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    CGZ It works because we are an island. Inward travel is restricted to residents, who are then required to quarantine, with any other members of the household with whom they are in contact. So onward transmission counts as known source. We've been doing that since March last year. It kept us free from the virus and otherwise to behave normally from June to January. It failed then because of one false negative test, who was released from quarantine, and went out celebrating for Christmas and the New Year
    Thanked by 2Liam CHGiffen
  • Francis -
    I hear it's really hard to find a Mass on Mars.
    Thanked by 2CharlesW tomjaw
  • Liam
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    Definitely neither wheat nor grapes. Finding water would be a challenge.
  • Madame,
    Francis will be taking along his own priest, who always travels with a proper Mass/Sacrament kit.
  • a_f_hawkins
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    Update - the two priests from St. Eugene had been detained for a time after attending for questioning, but were released 5 hours ago.
  • MatthewRoth
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    By the way, their detention is quite serious; there's no real equivalent in Anglo-American law; either you have to cough something up and charge, or you have to give them up. In any case, it signals the government's intention to charge you or at least to continue pursuing you as a person of interest in order to charge you.
    Thanked by 1tomjaw