Supplementum ad Kyriale ex Codicibus Hispanicis excerptum
  • tomjaw
    Posts: 1,864
    I have been asked to produce a Kyriale, and thought to add as a supplement the chants found in this supplement from 1934,

    Now looking at Kyrie II Rex Magne, how would you set the second Kyrie?

    I see Andrew Hinkley has attempted this, but I see he did not solve the problem. Also the third repeat of the first Kyrie, does not match the first or the third and it is abbreviated, I suspect a mistake has been made...

    A quick search later finds the following, from this excellent site, a 14th manuscript with this Troped Kyrie This is online and can be found here on page 362, http://bdh-rd.bne.es/viewer.vm?id=0000012428&page=1

    It is also found in the Cantus database with another link to a 12th c. manuscript, http://pemdatabase.eu/image/73032

    So while we have two excellent manuscripts they create more questions...

    Anyway we have a recording https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7KXDwAcki4
  • JonathanKKJonathanKK
    Posts: 490
    If it is a GABC problem, i.e. how to set a note lower than (a), if you are running Gregorio yourself with LaTeX, you could go into the code behind it and see if you could rig something.

    To me, the 3rd Kyrie ending in a climacus is not a contradiction, just whoever set it wanted the abbreviation to end with those three notes, so they saw no problem with using a different neume.
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  • JonathanKKJonathanKK
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    OK, I figured out how to rig it. But I don't think it will work on either of the online demo pages. See attached, and the code is below.

    name:;
    %%
    (c4)%
    \global\greadditionalbottomspace=45000 sp%
    \global\multiply\greadditionalbottomspace by \the\grefactor %
    \greremovetranslationspace %
    \gregeneratelines %
    \grecalculateconstantglyphraise %
    K%
    {y}(evDC)ri(dc)% begin goofy stuff
    \hspace{-135432sp}% the exact correction, determined empirically
    \raisebox{-510000sp}[0pt][0pt]{% outer raisebox
    \gresyllable{}{%
    \raisebox{510000sp}[0pt][0pt]{e\zsavepos{test1}}% jacking the "e" back up.
    }{}{1}{}{}{11}{}{%
    \greglyph{\char 5121}{c}{e}{8}%
    {%
    \greadditionalline{0}{0}{3}%
    \hspace{-6pt}%
    \phantom{\greadditionalline{0}{0}{3}}%
    \greadditionalline{0}{0}{3}%
    \hspace{6pt}%
    \hspace{4pt}%
    \phantom{\greadditionalline{0}{0}{3}}%
    \greadditionalline{0}{0}{3}%
    \hspace{-4pt}%
    % begin extra line
    \raisebox{510000sp}[0pt][0pt]{% inner raisebox
    \greadditionalline{0}{0}{3}%
    \hspace{-6pt}%
    \phantom{\greadditionalline{0}{0}{3}}%
    \greadditionalline{0}{0}{3}%
    \hspace{6pt}%
    \hspace{4pt}%
    \phantom{\greadditionalline{0}{0}{3}}%
    \greadditionalline{0}{0}{3}%
    \hspace{-4pt}%
    }% close inner raisebox
    % end extra line
    }{}%
    \greendofelement{0}{0}%
    \greglyph{\char 1025}{e}{f}{0}{}{}%
    \greendofglyph{0}%
    \greglyph{\char 6145}{f}{g}{8}{}{%
    \grepunctummora{e}{0}{0}{0}%
    }%
    }%
    }% close outer raisebox
    ([ev:\hspace{2459314sp}% another exact correction, determined empirically
    ]) % end goofy stuff
    (,) x\zsavepos{test2}()

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  • tomjaw
    Posts: 1,864
    @JonathanKK
    Thanks

    I was interested in the GABC problem as Andrew had not found a solution at least in the pdf posted on CCWatershed. I had a feeling someone on here would be able to solve the problem. I have been setting chant using the Caeciliae font, which also cannot set notes that low, I have created a text box and placed it in the required position... Another option would be to move the clef...

    As for the non-matching 1st and 3rd Kyrie I suspect they took the music from the Trope, for the 1st Kyrie, when it would have been better to use the music as found for the 3rd Kyrie, I still think it is odd that they abbreviated the text and music.
  • a_f_hawkins
    Posts: 2,028
    How about
    (f4)Ky(ijji)ri(hi)e(ih/ghjjh.)- -(:)-(:)(k+::)(c4)Chri(ghi)ste()
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