Prayers and Advice requested
  • trentonjconn
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    Thanked by 2Elmar M. Jackson Osborn
  • Chris Garton-Zavesky
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    Trentonjconn,

    I don't know the man who is your new priest, but I'm familiar with the New Man Won't Commit to Supporting Existing Program problem. Sometimes the existing man won't commit to the program he asked you to implement.

    Concrete suggestions:

    1) Pray for wisdom and prudence for yourself.
    2) Pray for this priest.
    3) Engage him on topics which aren't your sphere of influence. (Invite him to lunch, for example, so you can get to know how he thinks but without direct reference to your topics) .
    4) Prepare (as you see fit) your resume for a job search.
    5) Offer to help him become a confident singing priest, if you correctly identify that he's uncomfortable, working with him at his most convenient time.
    6) DON'T make this a power struggle between him and YOU. If what you're doing is what the Church calls musicians to do, you can implement a proper plan without getting personally invested in it (if that makes sense). It's not YOUR ideas he disapproves of, and YOU'RE not asking him to knock the chip off YOUR shoulder.
    7) Accept suggestions for improvement, even if you can't implement them. Sometimes, doing exactly what he says, you persuade him that his idea was half baked and that you aren't as green as he thinks you are.
    Thanked by 4mmeladirectress trentonjconn Elmar M. Jackson Osborn
  • Kathy
    Posts: 5,510
    I would advise keeping a certain perspective. The new priest is probably still figuring out where the light switches are. He has no idea whom to trust. Music is probably not his first priority (this is a good thing).

    Don't bring up the subject, but just keep doing well, and try not to worry about it too much.

    Many priests go into new parishes with the idea that they will wait a year before making changes. And hopefully by that time, you will have impressed him with your steadily excellent work.

    Thanked by 8CHGiffen JL Paul F. Ford mmeladirectress CCooze trentonjconn Elmar Carol
  • Elmar
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    the New Man Won't Commit to Supporting Existing Program problem
    priests go into new parishes with the idea that they will wait a year before making changes

    This is the challenge; especially as a combination of the two: not (obviously) aiming at quick changes, but neither (obviously) supporting what's being done.
    Sometimes the existing man won't commit to the program he asked you to implement.
    Exactly that in our parish. Luckily I'm working elsewhere, but it's a pain in the neck for volunteering. Our priest is devout and orthodox and a great shepherd, but you always have to guess what he really wants (e.g. he suddenly introduced a vernacular 'Our Father' in the Latin sung OF mass, to the horror of our DM, and continues to switch languages a libitum in the dialogues).
    Thanked by 1francis
  • francis
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    Elmar

    This is exactly the primary problem with the NO... nebulous rubrics that are changeable by the priest or bishop at any time, and all are subject to their whim, mood or philosophy. No one can build a stable, worthwhile music program on that tenet.

    And now put covidtide on top of that and you are dealing with daily uncertainty and frustration that has you looking over your shoulder at every turn.

    Prayers are rising up for all.
    Thanked by 4Elmar irishtenor StimsonInRehab trentonjconn
  • Elmar
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    Francis, we have comparable problems with our EF mass.
    (and not to mention in other areas of volunteering)
    Thanked by 1CharlesW
  • francis
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    Elmar

    Is music being unexpectedly altered in the EF too? Can you elaborate?
  • Carol
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    Been in the same parish for 50 years+ and, while new pastors think they wait a year to implement changes, I have rarely (or maybe even never) seen this happen. By now I am resigned to this. Some changes seemed jarring at first but I have come to appreciate them, some I have never grown accustomed to, and most are just window dressing. I know people who jump back and forth between parishes as pastors come and go, but I figure I have been and, God willing, I hope to be in this parish when the next changes come along.
    Thanked by 1Elmar
  • Elmar
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    Francis,

    In the case of the EF (low mass) it was about whether people, or the server only, give the responses. On the one hand he said he was fine with the congregation responding; on the other, he refused to tell other congregants to stop giving you dirty glances for actually doing so.

    He told the schola that he was dreaming of having us sing an EF high mass, but the actual plans of our DM were quickly shelved.
    Thanked by 1StimsonInRehab
  • francis
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    Elmar

    Pater, Ave, Dox for you.
    Thanked by 2StimsonInRehab Elmar
  • StimsonInRehabStimsonInRehab
    Posts: 1,933
    Elmar, he should tell his congregation that the rubrics of the Mass have never included ANY directions for the participation of the congregation. Actual participation covers a wide variety of actions at Mass. Just imagine how "well-behaved" our congregations were compared to a mediaeval Cathedral.

    Low Mass partisans need to stop acting like mini-Bugninis. Dialogue Masses aren't the end of the world.
    Thanked by 1Elmar
  • Liam
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    Brings to mind: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dW0vtST5BB0
  • a_f_hawkins
    Posts: 3,471
    StimsonInRehab - you are almost right about participation, but :- Ritus servandus III;10
    facta a circumstantibus Confessione, Celebrans stans respondet: Misereátur vestri, etc.

    and VII;7
    Orate, fratres, et secrete prosequens: ut meum ac vestrum sacrifícium, etc. perficit circulum, revertens, junctis manibus ante pectus, a manu dextera ad medium Altaris. Et responso a ministro, vel a circumstantibus: Suscípiat Dóminus sacrifícium de mánibus tuis, etc.

    And, of course
    Circumstantes autem in Missis privatis semper genua flectunt, etiam Tempore Paschali, præterquam dum legitur Evangelium.
    Thanked by 2StimsonInRehab Elmar
  • sergeantedward
    Posts: 195
    This is exactly the primary problem with the NO... nebulous rubrics that are changeable by the priest or bishop at any time, and all are subject to their whim, mood or philosophy. No one can build a stable, worthwhile music program on that tenet.


    @francis Yeah they can. I've done it as DSM in 3 NO parishes, and have mentored a number of DSMs in doing the same. Yep, it is hard. But what good thing isn't?
    Thanked by 1Elmar
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