...and then we act hateful to people simply because they might consider themselves "conservative," and continue to post new threads, fully intent on belittling anyone who disagrees with our own view of what "not hating" others actually means.

@Rphilips Not again!

Anyway I am not an American citizen so do not have a horse in this race... but I am told that the other main party on offer were rather keen on killing babies and came up with this childrens camp policy. So what would Jesus say... Baby killers or as you delightfully describe them 'Nazis'.

Anyway from the other side of the pond, I would suggest that you should study some history and perhaps visit one of the concentration camps preserved across Europe. You will discover that the camps in Texas have almost no similarity to the death camps of Communist Russia or 1940s Germany, and have much more in common with a children's summer camp.

As for likening Trump et al. as in anyway similar to the Nazis or Communists is deeply insensitive to the many victims of those regimes, some are still alive and will be more than willing to explain exactly what an evil regime is and what it does.

As for helping those less fortunate than ourselves... well redistributing the wealth of the the top 0.01% among the top 10%, does not interest me... If you are really looking to help the poor and destitute of this world I would suggest, https://www.marysmeals.org.uk
I am sure that they fund raise in the U.S. but noticeably have not found children in the US needing their help.

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If you don't like the law, get it changed. But you are not free to disregard and disobey it while it is in effect. I would say to Congress, 'Get to work." A glass of water and a day's work would kill most of them, anyway.

Mr Phillips,

In so far as you don't know any of us, I should wonder why a person who calls on us to treat others humanely and all that goes on a rant such as you have subjected us to for the second post in as many days.


You evidently live in a vernacular Mass context (or you wouldn't be concerned about hymn texts such as the one you raise). Can you give us an example of a hymn you find objectionable?


To your text.

people claiming to be Catholic are doing morally repugnant things

I completely agree. Anyone claiming to be Catholic while openly advocating for the destruction of the innocent unborn would fit your definition. In fact, there's a canon in the laws of the Church which provides for their exclusion from Holy Communion.

Until then, let's all think about the words we sing, and want our congregations to sing, and make sure we are living/voting/supporting consistently with Christ and what he taught.

Right again. Words which focus on how wonderful we are, or even how important we are, surely are out of place at Mass. In fact, before the reforms of the late council, there were assigned, not optional, texts which were sung. Others could supplement these, but these were required. I further agree that we shouldn't live what my wife calls a compartmentalized life, the attitude which says "I won't give that part of my life to God". America is far from a perfect country, and many people are of the opinion that there was not a good choice in the last general election. Given that, if Mr. Trump does evil things, he's only unlike the rest of us in that he's President of the United States, and we're only whatever we are other than that.

"Silence in the face of evil is itself evil: God will not hold us guiltless. Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act."

Right again, but not because you're quoting Dietrich Bonhoffer. More than one pope has said the same thing.

I know most of you would like to remain in your church music/liturgy bubbles

Actually, what you should know is that this is a forum for the discussion of Church-music related topics. This is, therefore, the appropriate place to discuss church music/liturgy questions. On occasion we engage in other less weighty topics, and some enjoy these more than others. Think of it this way: in a bedroom a person sleeps and in a kitchen, he prepares food. You (and most people) would be right to be surprised if a person you found was sleeping in the kitchen or preparing food in the bedroom.


Some hereabouts will not use that hymn because they dislike (or think overused) the tune Aurelia. Others will find the text banal, as Corinne does, just above, and thus disapprove of it. I think, however, that you will find some here who both like the tune and approve of the sentiment of the text.

God bless,

Chris