Cathedral of Christ the Light - Oakland
  • I have just read an article about the Cathedral of Christ the Light in Oakland, Skidmore Owings & Merrill, architects. What a splendid work of modern architecture this seems to be; unlike our new cathedral in Houston which, in its nod to an uninspired and tired 'traditionalist' and monumental vocabulary, has succeeded only in having the effect on one of a gigantic mausoleum. (At least we are going to have a magnificent Martin Pasi organ sometime next year.) The Oakland cathedral is quite a contrast. Using a modern and highly imaginative design palette the building seems really quite alive - and inspired. My question: there was nothing in the article about the organ. Can anyone out there give information or details about the instrument?
  • eft94530eft94530
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    Always good to use the CMAA forum Search tab.

    Pipe organ info:
    http://musicasacra.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=502

    The Oakland Diocese newspaper has a website with search capability. Many hits for "cathedral".
    http://www.catholicvoiceoakland.org
  • eft94530eft94530
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    The cathedral website has architecture info:
    http://www.ctlcathedral.org/resources/resources.shtml
  • OlbashOlbash
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    I was a skeptic at first... didn't think something so modern could be fitting for a cathedral. Then I got the opportunity to visit a few weeks ago. What had originally been intended as a way to kill an hour and feed my curiosity about the place turned into a real pilgrimage, a real encounter with Christ and His living presence in the Church. I highly recommend that anyone living in or visiting the Bay area make a pilgrimage to this holy site.
  • GavinGavin
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    I must say I haven't been impressed with the pictures I've seen, and even dislike it. But I'm open-minded that a visit may convince me of its suitability. Now who wants to fly me to Oakland??
  • The article (in the WSJ) that I read about it said that Calatrava was the original artchitect but that he had opted out. Too bad! It would have been even better, I suspect. It is my nature to prefer the historical architectural vocabulary when it is used imaginatively, genuinely and fluently. However, most new churches that would pose as 'traditional' are merely clumsy pastiches of (often ridiculously) misapplied architectural elements. Modern buildings which are true works of modern architecture (and these are as rare as the genuinely 'classical' ones) are the refreshing equals of their antique forebears. Something about authenticity, or intellectual honesty, is fundamental here.
  • eft94530eft94530
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    Gavin, if you fly into the San Francisco Bay Area, you can visit these other cathedrals too ...

    Sacramento
    http://www.cathedralsacramento.org/

    Santa Rosa
    http://www.steugenes.com/

    San Francisco
    http://www.stmarycathedralsf.org/

    San Jose
    http://www.stjosephcathedral.org/

    Monterey
    http://www.sancarloscathedral.net/

    Stockton
    http://www.parishesonline.com/scripts/hostedsites/org.asp?ID=11016
  • CharlesW
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    The pictures look interesting, but I suspect the building would have to be seen to be appreciated.
  • Jeffrey TuckerJeffrey Tucker
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    And look at this: our dear friend Bishop Cordileone is going to Oakland.
  • THIS IS WONDERFUL!
  • eft94530eft94530
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    Bishop Salvatore Cordileone was installed as Bishop of Oakland
    Videos available at:
    http://www.ctlcathedral.org/videos/may2009/videos.shtml
  • Bruce E. Ford
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    Jeffrey Tucker referred to Bishop Cordileone as "our dear friend." I just watched a significant part of his installation, and I cannot help asking whether CMAA needs enemies with friends such as Cordileone.

    The influence of Broadway was everywhere apparent. Even "O God our help in ages past" mutated into something suitable for the stage.

    The deportment of the clergy was disgusting. If I had been the M.C., the first thing I would have done would have been to pull the leaflets out of their hands before they entered the church. (Did it not occur to anyone to place leaflets on their seats?). Many of the clergy were walking with their hands at their sides. Only one priest's hands were properly joined. Most looked as if they were walking down a city street rather than participating in a liturgical procession. Who was the M.C., and why didn't he shape them up?

    If Cordileone cares about liturgy and music, why didn't he take control of this service?

    Incidentally, GORM presupposes that lectors will be vested in albs and enter in procession with the clergy. I have never seen them do so at an Roman Catholic Mass. Even at Westminster Cathedral they pop up from the nave in their street clothes.
  • chonakchonak
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    Just think of that Mass as the "Before" picture.

    I wouldn't expect any bishop to whip the clergy into shape in the very moment of his installation. He has a teaching job ahead of him, and he's begun already with his interview in the diocesan paper:



    [after a discussion of multiculturalism]

    There is something else that I think we need to pay more attention to. There is also such a thing as Catholic culture, which is at a deeper level and connects us all. It is a sacramental view of the world and we need to keep that vision before us because if we don’t, the Church is going to become an association of different cultural groups. The Church will be international, but it won’t really be universal[....]

    After your appointment to Oakland was announced, there were lots of comments on blogs about your support of the Latin Mass. What do you see as the role of that liturgy in the life of the diocese?

    Latin is one element of the Catholic culture that I mentioned earlier. Language is such a fundamental part of what a culture is. I think not that the whole liturgy should only be in Latin, but that a greater use of Latin to bring people of different language groups together to pray in the ancient tongue of the Church has value.

    Pope Benedict’s vision is that the liturgical reform of Vatican II has kind of gotten off track and a greater familiarity with the pre-conciliar liturgy will help us get back on track with authentic liturgical reform. It doesn’t mean that we go back to the pre-conciliar liturgy, but we understand better the principles that are spoken of at the Council and see them in the context of what he calls an organic development.

    This is part of a long process of liturgical reform going back to Pope Pius XI who first spoke about the full active and conscious participation of the faithful. So we see this in a context that there is a continuity rather than a rupture.

    Just about everyone probably knows that I have celebrated the Tridentine liturgy so I’m not revealing any secrets. When I do celebrate it, it helps me to understand better what the bishops at the Council were thinking when they were talking about liturgical reform. So I think it has a value in that sense, and neither Pope Benedict nor I would want to force in on anyone.

    But he also wants to respect those who prefer to worship in that form and an accommodation as much as possible should be made. I think if we are comfortable with the availability of that, with the familiarity with that, we would be more at peace in terms of liturgy, rather than allow it to be a cause of conflict.

    I acknowledge at the same time that there is a need for inculturation, not that it becomes showy, but there are authentic prayer lives of different cultures that can be legitimately incorporated into the liturgy for those cultures[....]
  • Charles in CenCA
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    Bruce et al,
    As a veteran of 17 years in the Oakland Diocese, three at the old Cathedral, and with as much truthful humility as you can ascribe, and lastly with an imprimatur from another CMAA poster here who was present at the installation and in a private letter, ratified my "take" upon the imprint of the Order of Music, I respectfully offer my comments found as the second entry below "Jack Kemp RIP" for more perspective on what the new bishop will be dealing with. As was said in another forum as to why Bsp. C, along with all California bishops, has remained silent with the Obama/ND flap, Bsp. C was handed the mandatum first, then a mop and a bucket.
    On the installlation music and its import:
    http://musicgiftofgod.blogspot.com/
  • Jeffrey TuckerJeffrey Tucker
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    Watched a bit of the ordination. I've seen now many of these. I too am completely puzzled by the meandering non-ceremonial strolling-through-the-park aspects of the entire thing. I've seen high school graduations in which the students and faculty managed a higher degree of solemn dignity and bodily comportment.

    Somehow I think this is whole problem is a 1970s leftover or something, when it was widely believed that being sort of sloppy and casual conveyed a humanistic message of comfort and caring and familiarity. This was adopted in order to send a signal that the stiff and distant and dogmatic ways of the past are no more. Sadly, the only message that really comes across with this strolling style, however, is a sort of indifference to the event and the cause, a neglect of position and duty, i.e. a lack of seriousness.

    this is a pervasive problem and not anything that a new Bishop can fix at the ordination Mass.

    Finally, as for how open and friendly the new church is, I've never been treated so much like an outsider as when, as a naive new convert, I paid a visit to the palace of the USCCB in Washington. I got as far as the front secretary, who told me to take a hike.
  • priorstf
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    Charles in CenCA -

    Thanks for a good review of Oakland - one of the more positive I've read. I played the organ (but was never an organist!) for 5 years back in the Begin days and saw much of the change. Not all of it good, yet the Church has survived.

    One small change I'd recommend in your blog posting, however. In my days there the basketball was known as "CYO". I think "CYA" was something else altogether! :)
  • Charles in CenCA
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    Thanks, priorstf,
    Sorry 'bout CYA; gotta remember I'm a feeble, old hippy with early onset Alzheimer's (that's my story, I'm sticking to it, no offense intended to afflicted ones) with a penchant for fine and/or decent Cabernet Sauvignon and select meritages!
    Also, I wasn't a RC as a kid, so the initials didn't take, though Bishop Begin's slap at my confirmation really took!
  • Jeffrey TuckerJeffrey Tucker
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    Just wrote bcl@usccb.org for logins
  • eft94530eft94530
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    priorstf: "I played the organ (but was never an organist!) for 5 years back in the Begin days"

    The old pipe organ (St Francis De Sales Cathedral) is presently located at
    http://www.lourdesoakland.com/

    The CCCA reference is:
    http://musicgiftofgod.blogspot.com/2009/05/my-long-and-winding-road-always-runs.html
  • chonakchonak
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    Here in Boston I've actually seen a couple of old references to "CYA" for the Catholic Youth -- Association, I suppose, so Charles' memory may be just fine.
  • Charles in CenCA
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    I assure you, dear defender chonak, my memory is anything but "just fine." ;-)
  • I was also at the installation (we lost a dear bishop in San Diego, but I'm happy for Oakland, our state, and the Church) and can only say here that the cathedral itself filled me with profound sadness, even emptiness. No matter how splendid the new organ will be, it will take a miracle to overcome acoustic challenges, which were spotty at best with all the concrete.

    FYI, there is a review of sorts on the NLM site under the title ' A Hermeneutic of Rupture?'. One interesting bit to me is the connection between tradition and beauty, and the idea of beauty having its own hermeneutic of continuity.

    Knowing the new bishop a bit, I'd say that Chonak is correct when he talks about the 'before' picture. He has his hands full, and liturgy is only part of his cross right now, so PLEASE PRAY FOR HIM. He is a very good man with a huge task and a lot of people expecting a lot of things.

    Overall, the Mass was overproduced (like the simple chanted doxology being answered with 2' of orchestralish 'Amen', but several elements of tradition were present.
  • From another list:

    Dear PipOrg-L,

    I'm delighted to announce that the newly constructed Cathedral of Christ the
    Light (Roman Catholic) in Oakland, California has hired Rudy de Vos as its
    new Director of Music & Organist. This cathedral, of architectural note, is
    currently installing a large, new 4-manual Letourneau organ.

    Rudy hails from South Africa, completed his MM in organ at the University of
    North Texas as a student of Jesse Eschbach, and is presently in the final
    stages of his DMA in organ performance & literature at Eastman in the studio
    of David Higgs. Having been his colleague at Eastman in the Higgs studio
    and also a fellow musician with him at St. Anne RC Church in Rochester
    during my MM degree study, I can say that Christ the Light Cathedral has an
    outstanding musician and a brilliant organist at the head of its music
    program. Additionally, Rudy is a very fine young man with an infectious
    sense of humor, and I have no doubt that he will make a wonderful addition
    to the Bay area.

    Best wishes to all,

    Br. Jonathan

    --
    Brother Jonathan Ryan, SJC
    Principal Organist
    Saint John Cantius Church
    825 North Carpenter Street
    Chicago, Illinois 60642-5405
    Tel: 312.243.7373 • Fax: 312.243.4545
    www.cantius.org • www.canons-regular.org
  • Public congrats to Rudy de Vos!!!
    Bishop Cordileone is very glad to have hired him, and that Rudy is getting a wonderful boss with a deep love of tradition and bold vision for reforming the liturgy.

    I very much hope to make it to the installation of the new organ.
  • Thanks for the very kind words. I hope that one day when I pass away, Br. Jonathan will still be alive to write my obituary. He certainly did a splendid job while I am still alive!

    While excited and daunted at this new opportunity of building a music program from scratch at a cathedral, I can only say I am comforted by the prospect of working for such a wonderful bishop as Bishop Cordileone.

    On another note, I can tell people on this forum that I was extremely impressed by the composition of the search committee for this position. It included Dr. Susan Matthews (organist of note), Dr. William Mahrt (who needs no introduction here), Fr. Jeffrey Keyes, Cathleen (a pastoral musician from within the Diocese of Oakland), Br. Martin (organist at St. Mary's College), John McDonald (choirmaster of the cathedral choir at the former cathedral twenty years ago), and the provost of the cathedral, Fr. Paul Minnihan.

    The interview process was very thorough and covered a broad spectrum - pastoral expertise, choral expertise and experience, organ abilities, and experience with Gregorian chant. This all took place over two days. I also had a separate interview with Bishop Cordileone (who despite only being installed as bishop two weeks earlier, MADE time in his busy schedule to be actively involved with the interview and selection process of this position.)

    It is really impressive when a cathedral who is searching for a new music director consults specialists in their various fields, unlike many (if not most) churches who often end up having the choir vote, and simply appoint the person who is "the warmest and fuzziest" instead of the person who can get the job done.
  • Pes
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    Rudy, we will all pray for you and remain ready to help whenever, and however, we can.
  • Congratulations, Mr. de Vos! I was a member of the choir and ensemble under Mr. McDonald, Esq. and Rv. Osuna lo 4 decades ago, oh my stars!
    In your conversation with Fr. Keyes, did the name of Dr. Ronald Keane come up? Those two were together as DM and organist respectively at St. Leanders back in the day. Ron did have some tenure in a Congregational church in Oakland as I recall as well.
    Anyway, I love Oakland as I'm an expatriate, and visit as often as possible. The corner of Harrison and Grand Avenue is as scenic a landscape as can be found in many beautiful cities.
  • Welcome to Oakland, Mr. de Vos!