• Kathy
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    Every few months I take down from the shelf Jean-Philippe Rameau's Treatise on Harmony, hoping to make a little progress.

    In Rameau's theory, melody follows harmony. Harmony is primary, and melody must follow certain rules, based on "good taste" in harmony.

    This evening I came across this gem, which I must have read before, judging by the marginal smiley face: "Observe that since plain chant was composed at a time when good modulation was not yet understood, it sins continually against the natural order. To establish the harmony that should be joined to it, then, we are obliged to follow certain rules which share the defects of this plain chant, since they are based on it..."
  • An interesting thought.
    'Rameau thought' is, of course a logical outcome of the development of the tonal system and the tyranny of that melody which both shapes and is dependent upon harmony. This is why a modal hymn tune is always self sufficient, whereas an 'harmonic' tune is incomplete and doesn't make total sense without its accompanying ATB.

    Just as it might be said that the tonal system reached its climax with the late XIXth century German symphonists, the modal system reached its climax with the late mediaeval and renaissance polyphonists. It was perhaps inevitable that tonalism would evolve from and replace a modalism which had reached its fullest bloom. The tonal counterpoint of the baroque, which reached a pinnacle in the hands of J.S. Bach was, perhaps, a last gasp of the contrapuntal craft - or a brief interlude betwixt musical epochs.

    It was the monody and nascent opera of the early baroque which really paved the way for the triumph of melody, which led to the triumph of its underpinning harmony. There is a parallel here with the evolution in French organ music from the counterpoint of Titelouze to the melodic recits and airs de cour, dance forms, Italianate canzonnas, military fanfares, and other secular influences which typified the French organ mass in the generations after Titelouze, reaching finest flower in the works of F. Couperin and de Grigny.

    It was the Paris Conservatoire which, after the revolution, applied the coup de grace by enshrining melody as the predominant element in music because it was thought that this would make music more universally apprehended.

    One has, also, to bear in mind that 'Rameau thought' about music, which represents rococo chic, mirrors contemporary attitudes as to the barbarity of the Gothic era, its art, its architecture, its literature, and, of course, its music. As such, it is typical of the 'modernists' of all ages, including our own. The modernist, of whatever era, is incapable of apprehending a past culture, or an inherited culture, on its own terms, appreciating its own values, and (worst of all!) perceiving its transcendent gifts.

    These observations perhaps only loosely address Kathy's fascinating question, but perhaps others will elaborate.
  • "To establish the harmony that should be joined to it..."

    It would seem, in Rameau's time, it was assumed chant would be harmonized. Despite changing styles, we have endured that assumption ever since, such that unaccompanied, pure chant is often described as sounding too "monastic", which is code for "barren". This has less to do with the "evolution" of sacred choral music, which of course grew out of chant, than with the rising dominance of secular idioms, instrumental music, and especially organ. So prevalent were these influences by Rameau's time that he apparently could not endure the thought of chant unharmonized. His whole musical world revolved around harmony, a priori. If I had my copy of Stravinsky's "Poetics of Music", I would quote his anti-evolutionary stance, his belief that music would be purified by distillation into a single line.
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  • CharlesW
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    Nothing startling or new about any of this. All things change over time, including music. Even the church changes although it often likes to pretend it doesn't.
  • melofluentmelofluent
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    I don't recall reading the Rameau in school, but the portion of Kathy's quote strikes me as somewhat irksome, even if out of context:
    Observe that since plain chant was composed at a time when good modulation was not yet understood, it sins continually against the natural order.

    The (implied "chicken v egg") equation of this statement seems to rest upon the fulcrum of what is "understood." I would posit that Rameau's "natural order" is a construct of contemplation, otherwise a systematic outcome based upon specific observations.
    I, for one, cannot and do not relegate "melody" as a quantifiable, scientific entity. The real sin is the proffering of an uninspired melody at the expense of those which were truly inspired.
  • I guess I gave up reading when he claimed that
    plain chant sins continually against the natural order.


    It was comedic or clueless, and I didn't have what around here is called the "bandwidth" to find out which.

  • All of us are as attuned to the modal as to the tonal world. Those of us who aren't there yet are getting there as fast as they can. Hence, the writings of Rameau are wildly eccentric to us. They are not eccentric to the very large numbers of modern music lovers who have but a peripheral interest in chant and choral music of the 'modal epoch'. (If, in fact, they like chant at all, it is precisely because it is, or seems, 'esoteric'.) Rameau's writings give theoretical grounding for what, to them, seems self-evident. I, myself, can remember that time in my life at which chant sounded strange and modal counterpoint sounded strange. I, though, am in that minority to whom this strangeness was highly attractive and, even, addictive. Today I can think tonally or modally at will and, equally at will, be totally defined by the one or the other. They are both possessed of limitless fields of fiori musicali, opulent and sumptuous sonorities. Indeed, it is as foolish to condemn the Brahms requiem for not being Tallis' lamentations of Jeremiah as it would be to do the reverse. Likewise, it would be a shallow, very shallow, mind that would condemn 'I know that my Redeemer liveth' (which requires its accompaniment) for not being Ad te levavi (which is self sufficient), or vice versa.

    Rameau's assertions, and the theory that defines them are, indeed, self evident - self evident, that is, within a self-referential system. They are quite valid in reference to the western tonal system as it became somewhat implied in the late renaissance, evolved slowly through the baroque, and reached its climax in the classical and romantic eras.

    Modal music is as irrelevant to this system as is kabuki music, or any of the panoply of other indigenous musical systems throughout world cultures. This 'happens' to be a fact which does not (or, certainly is not meant to) imply that musics that do not represent western tonality are somehow inferior. It doesn't and they aren't. These are not value judgments.

    About melody, it shouldn't be too difficult to demonstrate that a modal melody, say Verbum supernum prodiens nec patris, is self sufficient and in no need of chordal underlay or complimenting second or third voices. Verbum supernum is self referential and complete unto itself. Anything added to it defaces it by degree. (This is why 'accompanied chant' is not only a sin, but an oxymoron.) Not so a melody such as Down Ampney (to choose but one 'tonal tune' at random). It is incomplete without the tonal underlay which it, in fact, implies (or which implies it!). It is not satisfying, or is not completely fulfilling, without its harmonious accompaniment and its complimentary alto, tenor, and bass. Where the modal tune does not by nature require a simultaneous voice or voices, the tonal tune not only implies them but is not complete without them. Indeed, it is derived from tonal harmony and is part and parcel of that structure! Rameau is absolutely correct - within and relevant to the tonal system. His error was in concluding that that system was universally valid and infallible - an error into which the 'modernists' of every age fall victim.

    Whenever I sing solos I sing chant, that is, modal melody. I never sing a tonal melody unless I have three other voices or an organ... because it isn't 'all there' without them.

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    (How many, let us say, can sing Veni creator spiritus without thinking 'harmony' in the background. I would venture to say that we all can do that and that we do do that. Such is the nature of the modal tune.
    Now, try singing Darwall (or Abbot's Leigh) without thinking of the underlying harmony along with it. I dare say most will mentally supply the missing organ chords or choral voices. Such is the nature of the tonal tune - which is integral with an harmonic structure.)
  • Richard MixRichard Mix
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    One cannot easily un-hear I-vi-IV-V with Teenager in Love but my very first hearing of it was a cappella and I recall being charmed by the mixolydian cadence on what I assumed was the tonic ;-)
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