You have found the propers in the right place. Continue with the AUG. If you want and have the personnel for different music you may use the Palmer-Burgess English adaptations of the Graduale Romanum, which is available by gracious permission of the sisters at St Mary's, Wantage, as a reprint from the CMAA. The propers may also be sung to Anglican chant, or in some composed SATB choral version

As for the psalm, the source for that is the Roman Lectionary. However, you should use the Coverdale translation - NOT the Lectionary's. The Coverdale should be used for all psalmody in the Ordinariate. The psalm at mass should be sung by all to Anglican chant. The Alleluya verse, also, should come from the AUG, NOT from the Lectionary. And, use the AUG's Alleluya with its brief jubilus- NOT one of those trite little triple ones from some other source.

Do you have a choir?
Of how many persons?
Do you have an organ?
What are you musical resources?
How large is your congregation?

(A word about the Palmer-Burgess: compare the text to that in the AUG because, once in a great while a word or two has been changed here and there. so you will want apply the appropriate editing. Also, the Palmer-Burgess follows the old kalendar, so, if you wish to use it, you must needs search around for the correct antiphon on those few occasions on which the antiphons don't match up. Unfortunately, the P-B has no index, so paging through it will be needful when it doesn't match the AUG. One of my ongoing projects is a badly needed index for both volumes of the P=B.)

Ah, great questions......I currently have a choir of 4 baritones; we have a congregation of about 48, we have an "organ". My musical resources, well-- I was raised in the Anglican Church and was so giddy when the Ordinariate became a reality. I have my grandmother's 1940 accompanist hymnal, and the internet. I also have a friend who is well versed in Latin Mass, who is going to help get the choir (of four) back on track.

And I just found the Alleluia of which you speak-- I do have a pretty good cantor right now.

I do have open the Coverdale Lectionary, I guess I was looking for the psalms with a tune. I have them both separately right now.

We can't even approach Anglican Chant, right now-- though I cannot wait until we can. It is something I have enjoyed singing. Sadly, that parish, now has "Pink Floyd Masses"

Thank you, good to know I am on the correct path.

And Richard, thank you-- I have been reading this group since last Tuesday.

M. Jackson Osborn, I look forward to learning much from you.

And since I am here-- to give you a peak into what I am cleaning up-- the previous organist was trying to fit the Credo into a Latin setting, even though we were singing it in English. I was only to be subbing on Sunday and had immediately texted Father to ask if we could do the Merbecke Credo-- I was told that I was reading his mind-- We are using the Willan for the rest of the Mass.

Dear Elizabeth,

I am the Director of Music at the Ordinariate parish in Calgary, Alberta, St. John the Evangelist. I believe I can provide a patrimonial and ready to go solution for you, that will be quite lovely for you and your four baritones. If you like, feel free to contact me through the email address provided on the parish website. Kind regards, tL.

Historically, Anglican Chant was never ever meant to be sung by a congregation in the nave. It was strictly meant to be sung by a vested male choir (ideally in the choir area).

Is there, perchance, a provision that permits a seasonal psalm that would permit a choir (and congregation?) to accept Anglican Chant through repetition, using audio files created by another fine choir to get them something to put in their ears?

Anglican Chant, being created for English, is much easier to sing that people believe.

At a Catholic high school after pointing the psalm for two weeks for them, the girl's choir took over pointing, rehearsing and self-conducting the psalm at weekly Mass.

Thank you.

Plainchant Gradual index is here. It's only Latin titles, genres, and page numbers however.

Unzip it with 7zip or Winrar or whatever and then open in Excel. Maybe someone can make use of it. Beware of typos.

All those Anglican chants in the back of the 1940 aren't there just to look at. They were and are sung by Episcopalian congregations as well as their choirs. The practice in American cathedrals will, though, more closely resemble the cathedral and collegiate tradition in England. Outside of the cathedrals is there a tradition in England for the people to sing Anglican chant in their parishes? Can someone 'over there' tell us? It is notable that there are no Anglican chants in any of the English hymnals, separate chant psalters, of which there are many, being the norm.

When Walsingham was founded ('erected' is the correct term) I deliberately instituted singing the psalm in directum to Anglican chant rather than as a responsory as it is performed in Roman rite churches. I did this deliberately to maintain a gorgeous gem of our patrimony and to distinguish our Anglican Use liturgy from the other rites, Roman and eastern, of the Church. Some of my Anglo-Catholic friends frowned on this - because many Anglo-Catholics frowned upon Anglican chant, thinking it 'protty', and had a strong predilection for the Gregorian tones for psalmody. Otherwise, I instituted a generous amount of chant from the 'Gregorian' repertory.

My earliest memory of Anglican chant is as a child of 5 or 6 at Christ Church, Springfield, Missouri, singing Benedictus to the Jackman chant at no. 635 in the 1940 hymnal. Everyone was singing it and I had great fun figuring out the 'pointing' and fitting the words on one page to the chant on the opposite page. It is astounding how people nowadays have become so piteously helpless and even deliberately clueless about such matters. Why, some of them even complain that they have to hold a hymnal at all.

Among the many topics that my teachers, mentors and friends (Sirs George Guest, David Willcocks, Michael Nicolas, George Thalben-Ball, Erik Routley as well as others - sorry for the name dropping), and I covered, Anglican chant, regardless of what country among the Anglican Communion, was intended to be sung exclusively by the choir because of its performance challenges (which is a voluminous study in its own right) and historical traditional performance practices.

May I respectfully point out the one should keep in mind, that throughout the Anglican churches world-wide, there have usually been two separate types of hymnals - those for choirs and another for congregational usage. Congregational hymnals rarely had music of any kind in them; on occasion perhaps the melody. Almost never did they have chants. Eventually, many churches opted to have instead in their pews, choir/choral hymnals. These hymnals of course had the full text and music of the services. Consider here the evolution in Catholic churches of the missalettes into hymnals like Worship I and II.

Anglican choral hymnals were only a foundational base of music available. Choirs and their libraries generally had a wealth of music to select from and this includes both Plainsong and Anglican chants.

It is not the norm in Anglican churches throughout the world-wide Communion that the congregations should sing Anglican chants. There are of course exceptions. Singing chants by congregations in Anglican Use churches is the exception and peculiar to this group.

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OK-- Firstly, I LOVE THAT THIS SPACE EXISTS! B., We have discovered that the Merbecke Credo from my 1940 Hymnal-- is not correct. My husband and I will be altering the text this week-- But before we re-invent the wheel-- Is there a resource I should know about? We have the best priest, I spent a lot of time this week working with the choir, just saying the Credo in that very mono-tone in correct meter-- I of course, noticed that he was not chanting the "I believe in one God" -- I hadn't planned on bringing it up, but during our post Mass discussion, when he mentioned the lack of Holy and something else, I need to refer to my notes, I jokingly said, "well, as I was picking apart the Credo, I noticed that you are not chanting the beginning correctly-- Father Bartus is one of the most amazing men I will ever meet-- wiser beyond his years. I knew him when he was a Cleric at an Anglican Church and just knew that he was aware of the bigger plan.

Sorry, Anyway, We are very far away of Anglican Chant-- but in order to keep my choir of baritones-- though I did mention today, i know that some of you are tenors!

I thought today's Mass was a complete train wreck, but Father was very happy.

I am finding this new role terribly fulfilling-- kind of lets me process a lot of pain I experienced living through the Episcopal church from 1969 to the present--

"Consider here the evolution in Catholic churches of the missalettes into hymnals like Worship I and II."

I beg to differ. The original Worship hymnal was published very early on after Vatican II. Its predecessor was the St. Gregory Hymnal, which was mostly for choir use, but some congregational hymns were included. It really depended on the participation of the various congregations pre-Vatican II. (Read "Why Catholics Can't Sing" by Thomas Day.) There were also other publishing companies supplying hymnals for congregations, most notably "Our Parish Prayes and Sings" by Liturgical Press in Collegeville. That's the one I grew up with. I had both Latin and English hymns, as well as all 18 Gregorian Masses, AND the entire Requiem Mass - not just in the choir edition, but in all editions. Maybe this was the exception, but it did exist. I hold that the entire movement of "Missalettes" is the devolution of the hymnal, not the other way around.


"It is not the norm in Anglican churches throughout the world-wide Communion that the congregations should sing Anglican chants. There are of course exceptions. Singing chants by congregations in Anglican Use churches is the exception and peculiar to this group."

While I do agree with the first sentence, I can tell you that, at least in the USA, there have been historically Episcopal parishes where Anglican chant was sung by the entire congregation. It is not solely an exception peculiar to the Anglican Use, or the Anglican Ordinariate in the US. IMO, if a congregation is so inclined as to join in on the Anglican chant, whether melody only or in harmony, they should be encouraged to do so. Also, there are two styles of performing the chant: with quite colorful organ accompaniment with a wide range of dynamics for an experienced choir, and a more straightforward accompaniment for a congregation. The latter would, of course, be more historic, but I draw the line at claiming it to me more correct.


"May I respectfully point out the one should keep in mind, that throughout the Anglican churches world-wide, there have usually been two separate types of hymnals - those for choirs and another for congregational usage. etc."

Again, I do not disagree. But I believe there is a clear demarcation between the singing traditions in the USA and all the rest of the Anglican Communion. American congregations have been more inclined to sing more of the liturgy at least for the last 150 years, and this shows in the hymnal publications during those times. At those same times, no chant or Mass (Communion) music was included in these world-wide publications. (Although, "The New English Hymnal" does included two Communion Settings.) And there is a distinct parallel with Catholic hymnals in America as compared to elsewhere, especially Great Britain. Many US Catholic hymnals have included at least some congregational music for the Mass, including Gregorian chant.

Thank you. I do understand. All I'm saying is that it is one thing to encourage choirs to perform Anglican Chant, to whatever standard they can achieve, for the musical beauty of the Liturgy. It is another thing to actively discourage 21st century congregations from attempting Anglican Chant for any reason. As in many things Theological, it should be an "and/both" rather than choosing sides on purely historical bases.