If Ye Love Me (Tallis)-different voicings??
  • Heath
    Posts: 734
    I have an SAB arrangement (GIA) from the late, great Richard Proulx with this note on the back:

    "Editions for four and even five voices are well known and a few versions for three voices appeared in both England and America..."

    Five voice "If Ye Love Me"?? Has anyone come across different variations of the piece and can point me in the right direction?
  • Liam
    Posts: 3,199
    I haven't. If such a thing exists, I imagine it would be one of the following, depending on the key chosen:

    SATTB
    SAATB
    SATBarB

    While the first would be more "classic" mid-16th century English, the second and third would likely be arrangements reflecting the supply of voices today...
  • Paul F. Ford
    Posts: 749
    I have it in TTBB.
  • CHGiffenCHGiffen
    Posts: 3,647
    CPDL's editions include the original in C (AATB or TTBB) as well as in E and F (SATB). And, of course, they are freely downloadable.
  • jefe
    Posts: 148
    I've never seen a 5-part, even after exhausting pubished versions, Giffen's site, and IMSLP for examples. I can see the reason to do an SAB version, but going to five parts is just going to erase that Tallis genius straight away with excess baggage. Any great piece of music withstands transposition well. Less well endowed music does not. What I do know is I use the Chiavette concept going both ways: up a 4th for the Ladies and down a 2nd, 4th or 5th (or other interval) from SATB to the men with counter tenors. It all depends on the piece: where the extremes of the voices lay, and how that effects the overall tonal effectiveness. After trying the original C version of "If Ye" and finding it too low for my counter tenors, and the 'F' version too high for my C.T.'s I put it up a step and all is well. It was a good move as the piece is still rich but brighter, a nice compromise. Find my 'D' version below.
  • Heath
    Posts: 734
    Thanks, as always, friends . . . I'm well aware of the variety of transpositions for the four-part original, and I was just hoping that someone had seen one of the "re-voicings" that Proulx speaks about. Ah, well.
  • Pretty sure there is an old edition that splits the top part into two near the end, presumably because the 2nd part (which goes above the top part) was thought too high for altos. Not seen a copy for years though!
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  • stulte
    Posts: 167
    For fun, I decided to make an 3-voice arrangement of it for TBarB (pdf and midi attached). Any feedback would be appreciated.
    Thanked by 2Heath bonniebede
  • does anyone have a copy voiced for SAT or SAB? I can't seem to find one online.
  • I don't have any of the voicings requested, but here is a Latin motet (Bone Pastor) for the same music that some of you may find useful.
    Thanked by 2CHGiffen bonniebede
  • Heath
    Posts: 734
    bonniebede, the SAB version adapted by Proulx and published by GIA is worth a look!
    Thanked by 1bonniebede
  • CCoozeCCooze
    Posts: 585
    While I haven't revoiced this piece, I have adapted the SATB to have/fit Catholic text, rather than the version that reads/sounds quite Protestant. ;)
  • stulte
    Posts: 167
    While I haven't revoiced this piece, I have adapted the SATB to have/fit Catholic text, rather than the version that reads/sounds quite Protestant. ;)


    I'm still planning on putting a Latin text TBD to the music so that I can use it during Mass. However, I did check the English text against the Douay-Rheims and the DR uses Paraclete instead of Comforter and the word "even" before "the Spirit of Truth" is missing. Which text did you pick?
  • CCoozeCCooze
    Posts: 585
    While I prefer to use the DR for Bible quotes, I decided to go with the translation currently in the lectionary in the US: "If you love me, you will keep my commandments. And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Advocate to be with you always, the Spirit of truth"
    Thanked by 1stulte

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