What text do you most associate with each of these hymn tunes?
Nettleton Old Hundredth Salzburg Puer Nobis Noel Nouvelet Hyfrydol Regent Square Beach Spring Ode to Joy Llanfair St. Elizabeth Ash Grove St. Thomas St. Thomas (Williams) Ebenezer St. George's Windsor
Come, thou font of every blessing All people that on earth... At the Lamb's high feast... (although my first response was a song I learned as a kid, "On the first Thanksgiving day") What star is this... Sing we now of Christmas Alleluia! Sing to Jesus Angels from the realms of glory —on the tip of my tongue, not coming— Joyful, joyful,... Hail the day that sees Him rise Fairest Lord Jesus Let all things now living —nothing— O bless the Lord, my soul (Ton-y-Botel) Thy strong word did cleave the darkness Come, ye thankful people...
Sing A New Church (Sorry, my old church lol used to sing this too much) All People that on Earth Do Dwell Songs of Thankfulness and Praise Come Thou Redeemer of the Earth Now the Green Blade Riseth Love Divine... Glory Be to God the Father God Created Earth and Heaven (Really...) Sing with All the Saints in Glory Hail the Day that Sees Him Rise Fairest Lord Jesus Let All Things now Living Tantum Ergo (? Wade?) The Advent of Our God Silence! Frenzied, Unclean Spirit! (http://forum.musicasacra.com/forum/discussion/11409/combine-two-or-more-hymn-titles-to-create-something-new) Come, Ye Thankful People, Come
My choices are from someone who has only been exposed to good sacred music for a short period of time...
Nettleton - Come Thou fount Old Hundredth - Praise God From Whom All Blessings Flow Salzburg - At the Lamb's High Feast Puer Nobis .- That Easter Day Noel Nouvelet - Sing We Now of Christmas Hyfrydol - Alleluia Sing to Jesus Regent Square - ANgels FROM the REEEEEAAAALMS of GLORY! Beach Spring - God of Day and God of Darkness Ode to Joy - Joyful Joyful We Adore Thee Llanfair - Hail the Day St. Elizabeth -n/a Ash Grove - Sent Forth by God's Blessing St. Thomas - Tantum Ergo St. Thomas (Williams) - n/a Ebenezer - Signs of Ending all Around Us St. George's Windsor - Come Ye Thankful People
Nettleton — God, We Praise You Old Hundredth — All People That on Earth Do Dwell Salzburg — At the Lamb’s High Feast We Sing Puer Nobis — That Easter Day with Joy Was Bright Noel Nouvelet — Now the Green Blade Rises Hyfrydol — Love Divine, All Loves Excelling Regent Square — Angels, from the Realms of Glory Beach Spring — Lord, Whose Love in Humble Service Ode to Joy — Joyful, Joyful We Adore Thee Llanfair — Christ the Lord is Risen Today St. Elizabeth — Beautiful Savior (Crusader’s Hymn) Ash Grove — Let All Things Now Living St. Thomas — Tantum Ergo St. Thomas (Williams) — O Bless the Lord, My Soul Ebenezer — [No association] St. George's Windsor — Come, Ye Thankful People, Come
To Puer Nobis I would add 'What star is this that beams so bright' 'O splendour of God's glory bright' 'Come thou, redeemer of the earth'
And these tunes? What text(s) do you associate with them?
This endris nyght Blaenwern Winchester Old Wareham Merton St Albinus St Magnus Third Mode Melody Tallis' Canon (other than 'All praise to thee, my God, this night') White Ladies Aston Duke Street (how many) Regent Square (not 'Angels from the realms...') Darwall's 148th Gonfalon Royal St Fulbert
How many sing Ode to Joy with the correct rhythm entering the last line? How many sing Helmsley with the correct rhythm in the last line? How many sing Lourdes Hymn with the correct rhythm in the refrain?
There is a lovely tune called Brompton Road in The Catholic Hymnbook (pub: Gracewing, England) with the text 'Sing, my tongue, the glorious battle'. Are any of you familiar with it? While it's nice (though a tad anemic for this text), I, personally, would never consider any but the plainchant tune whether singing the Latin or the English of this hymn.
I would like to see a show of hands from everyone who could identify the tune WHITE LADIES ASTON. (I was not one of you!)
I enjoy the whimsical names given to hymn tunes, but this one is in it's own category. I would love to hear the story behind the name! It turns out to be quite a lovely little modal tune, which I am certain I have never run across.
High churchy indeed! Ha! Liam's (raucous) example is nothing at all like (saving for a very loose melodic resemblance and modality) the sedate text and mode iii version that I stumbled across in the 1906 edition of The English Hymnal. By Ivor Atkins, it may be found at no. 400 therein, set to this text by W. Cowper: 'Hark, may soul! It is the Lord; 'Tis thy Saviour, hear his word; Jesus speaks, and speaks to thee: "Say, poor sinner, lov'st thou me?"'
Sung at just the right tempo it could be rather meditative and reverent. There are numerous other 7.7.7.7. texts that are more worthy by far.
I know White Ladies Aston, and I have actually been there, it's in Worcestershire, and has a good team of morris dancers, I believe. The village got its name from a mediaeval Cistercian nunnery nearby. There are quite a number of Anglican hymns named after English villages, eg Down Ampney, King's Weston etc
Hymn tunes:
Nettleton Sing of Andrew, John's disciple (this is in Scotland) Old Hundredth All people that on earth do dwell Salzburg At the Lamb's high feast we sing also Little king so fair and sweet (learned at primary school) Puer Nobis Unto us a boy is born (but I think this is a different tune) Puer nobis (another tune) Come thou redeemer of the earth Noel Nouvelet Now the green blade riseth Hyfrydol Alleluia, sing to Jesus Regent Square Lord, enthroned in heavenly splendour Beach Spring God of day and God of darkness Ode to Joy Sing of Christ proclaim His glory (and yes, we do the correct rhythm) Llanfair Hail the day that sees Him rise St. Elizabeth Fairest Lord Jesus Ash Grove The folk song of that name. Don't know of a hymn set to it. I believe there was a hideous thing called The Ash Grove Gloria, set to that tune, One of those things where the creator saw fit to adapt the text from the Missal to fit the tune. Now banned, thankfully. St. Thomas Pange lingua, or Sing my tongue, the glorious battle Tune is by Samuel Webbe the elder St. Thomas (Williams) ? Ebenezer O the deep deep love of Jesus (beautiful Welsh tune) St. George's Windsor Come ye thankful people, come
and the next lot: This endris nyght This endris night I saw a sight Blaenwern Love Divine Winchester Old While Shepherds watched (This has many tunes including a wonderful Yorkshire one called On Ilkley Moor bah't 'at Wareham The glory of the cross we sing Merton Hark, a herald voice is calling St Albinus Jesus lives! thy terrors now St MagnusThe head that once was crowned with thorns (big celebrations in Orkney this summer to mark the 900th anniversary of the martyrdom of St Magnus) Third Mode Melody I heard the voice of Jesus say Tallis' Canon (other than 'All praise to thee, my God, this night') Almighty Father, Lord most high White Ladies Aston Hark my soul, it is the Lord Duke Street (how many) Here it is reserved for Fight the Good Fight Regent Square (not 'Angels from the realms...') see above Darwall's 148th Reoice, the Lord is king Gonfalon Royal The royal banners forward go St Fulbert The race that once in darkness pined
It is indeed. 'Unto us a boy is born' is sung to Puer natus, not Puer nobis. Puer natus has that up and down a fifth melisma at the end that children have such fun with.
Interesting that you paired St Fulbert with 'The race that once...'. I associate it almost exclusively with 'Ye choirs of new Jerusalem' (CM version) - see EH no. 139.
Over here Duke Street is most commonly paired with 'Jesus shall reign where're the sun' and 'I know that my redeemer lives'.
And interestingly - you put 'Almighty Father, Lord most high' with Tallis' Canon. I've not heard this pairing, but it's really nice. This doctrinally sound offertory hymn was written by the Anglo-Catholic priest, C.S.S. Coles at the turn of the XIXth-XXth centuries and appears paired with a mode vi plainchant tune in Sir Sidney H. Nicholson's A Plainsong Hymnbook, published in 1932 under the aegis of Hymns A&M.
Also interestingly, Sir Sydney pairs 'Let all mortal flesh' with the mode i tune for the Good Friday hymn, Crux fidelis. It is remarkably effective and makes a nice change from Picardy - though 'Mortal flesh' and Picardy are by now a hallowed pair. One might try the Crux fidelis tune with a choir or schola.
Nettleton = n/a Old Hundredth = All people that on earth do dwell (I also use this for Kathy's Introits) Salzburg = At the Lamb's high feast Puer Nobis = Come thou redeemer Noel Nouvelet = Noel Nouvelet (oddly enough) Hyfrydol = Alleluia, sing to Jesus Regent Square = Angels from the realms of glory Beach Spring = n/a Ode to Joy = Freude, schone Gotterfunken, tochter aus Elysium Llanfair = Christ the Lord is ris'n today St. Elizabeth = n/a Ash Grove = Let all things now living St. Thomas = Tantum Ergo St. Thomas (Williams) = n/a Ebenezer = n/a St. George's Windsor = Hail Redeemer, King divine --- This endris nyght = Thys ender nyght Blaenwern = n/a Winchester Old = While shepherds watched Wareham = (I use this as a tune for Kathy's metrical Introits, so there are too many texts to name Merton = n/a St Albinus = n/a St Magnus = Ye choirs of new Jerusalem Third Mode Melody = Why fum'th in sight the gentile's spite Tallis' Canon = O thou immortal holy light White Ladies Aston = n/a Duke Street (how many) = Jesus shall reign; I know that my redeemer lives; also Kathy's Introit Hymns Regent Square (not 'Angels from the realms...') = n/a Darwall's 148th = Ye holy angels bright Gonfalon Royal = n/a St Fulbert = n/a
"Also interestingly, Sir Sydney pairs 'Let all mortal flesh' with the mode i tune for the Good Friday hymn, Crux fidelis. It is remarkably effective and makes a nice change from Picardy - though 'Mortal flesh' and Picardy are by now a hallowed pair. One might try the Crux fidelis tune with a choir or schola. "
Here we do it the other way round and sing the English translation of Crux Fidelis, ie Faithful Cross, above all other.... to Picardy. And St Fulbert is also used for Ye Choirs of New Jerusalem here too. It's just that we've been using it for The race that once.. over Epiphany and Candlemas.
Nettleton - God We Praise You Old Hundredth - All Hail Adored Trinity Salzburg - At the Lamb's High Feast Puer Nobis - What Star Is This/That Easter Day Noel Nouvelet - Now the Green Blade Riseth Hyfrydol - Alleluia, Sing to Jesus/Love Divine, All Loves Excelling Regent Square - Angels from the Realms of Glory Beach Spring - None Ode to Joy - Joyful, Joyful, We Adore Thee Llanfair - Christ the Lord Is Risen Today/Hail the Day that Sees Him Rise St. Elizabeth - Beautiful Savior Ash Grove - Sent Forth by God's Blessing St. Thomas - Tantum Ergo St. Thomas (Williams) - The Advent of Our King Ebenezer - None St. George's Windsor - Come Ye Thankful People, Come
Nettleton - none Old Hundredth - All People that on Earth do Dwell Salzburg - none Puer Nobis - none (some phrases at the start, Unto us a Child is born - but not the whole thing) Noel Nouvelet - Now the Green Blade Riseth Hyfrydol - Alleluia Sing to Jesus Regent Square - none Beach Spring - God of Day and God of Darkness Ode to Joy - Come Sing a Song of Joy Llanfair - none St. Elizabeth - none Ash Grove - none. It's a Welsh folk song. There's so much Druidic symbolism around the Ash tree that I'd be very sceptical of any hymn set to the tune. St. Thomas - none St. Thomas (Williams) - none Ebenezer - none St. George's Windsor - none
This endris nyght - none Blaenwern - none Winchester Old - While Shepherds Watched Their Flocks by Night Wareham - none Merton - Hark a Thrilling Voice is Sounding St Albinus - none St Magnus - none Third Mode Melody Tallis' Canon (other than 'All praise to thee, my God, this night') - Glory to thee my God this night (other uses of the tune that I've heard are secular) White Ladies Aston - couldn't find the tune Duke Street (how many) - none Regent Square (not 'Angels from the realms...') - still none Darwall's 148th - none Gonfalon Royal - none St Fulbert - none
A word about "none" - this means that there's no hymn which immediately springs to mind when I hear the tune. I now know of many of the common hymns associated with some of these tunes - but no so well that there's an immediate association.
Nettleton - God, we praise you; however, until a few years ago when we moved to singing mainly propers, I would have said Blessed feasts of blessed martyrs which we used often as an entrance hymn Old Hundredth - All hail, adored Trinity (3 verses, with Praise God from Whom all blessings flow appended as a 4th verse) Salzburg - Songs of thankfulness and praise Puer Nobis - That Easter day with joy was bright Noel Nouvelet - none (I associate Green Blade with another tune) Hyfrydol - Alleluia! Sing to Jesus and (equally) Love divine, all loves excelling Regent Square - Angels from the realms of glory Beach Spring - Portal of the world's salvation (for the Visitation, or a Saturday memorial of the BVM) Ode to Joy - Sing with all the sons of glory Llanfair - Hail the day that sees him rise St. Elizabeth - none Ash Grove - Let all things now living St. Thomas - Tantum ergo St. Thomas (Williams) - none Ebenezer - none St. George's Windsor - Come, ye thankful people, come
This endris nyght - none Blaenwern - none Winchester Old - none Wareham - none Merton - Hark! A thrilling voice is calling St Albinus - none St Magnus - none Third Mode Melody - none Tallis' Canon - none White Ladies Aston - none Duke Street (how many) - only Jesus shall reign where e'er the sun Regent Square (not 'Angels from the realms...') - only Angels Darwall's 148th - Rejoice, the Lord is king Gonfalon Royal - Sing to the Lord a joyful song St Fulbert - none
As far as rhythms, we sing them as printed in our hymnals, correctly as printed; I can't speak for the correctness of the editors who printed the hymnals.
Gwalchmai St Stephen The First Nowell Redhead No. 47 Gevaert Lux Eoi In Babilone Bryn Calfaria Rockingham Dulce Carmen Cobb Dix Ratisbon Ab Hyd Y Nos St Clement Mendon St Matthew Newman Cranham Redhead No. 46 Redhead No. 76
Gwalchmai King of glory, king of peace St Stephen (is this the one also known as Abridge?) We don't use it, but our local Church Of Scotland, where I sometimes play the organ, uses it to Praise waits for thee in Zion The First Nowell er,,,,the First Nowell Redhead No. 47 Christ is king of earth and heaven Gevaert ? have a feeling it's a Christmas carol of some sort Lux Eoi This tune by Sir Arthur Sullivan is sung by the Church of England to Alleluia, alleluia, Hearts to heaven and voices raise In Babilone There's a wideness in God's mercy Bryn Calfaria ? Rockingham When I survey the wondrous cross Samuel Webbe the Younger wrote an intersting harmony to this tune Dulce Carmen Tantum ergo Cobb ? Dix As with gladness men of old Ratisbon ? Ab Hyd Y Nos Should be Ar Hyd Y Nos Day is done but love unending (also Welsh folk song All through the night) St Clement The day thou gavest, Lord, is ended Mendon ? St Matthew Another C of S one The earth belongs to God alone Newman ? Cranham In the bleak midwinter Redhead No. 46 ? Redhead No. 76 also known as Petra.. Rock of ages
Gwalchmai Christ the Lord is risen today St. Stephen The King shall come when morning dawns The First Nowell ...yup! Redhead 47 When our heads are bowed with woe Gevaert Here betwixt ass and oxen mild (I learned the carol in French first, but all I remember is 'boeuf'!) Lux Eoi Alleluia, Alleluia .... In Babilone There's a wideness... Bryn Calfaria Lord, enthroned in heavenly splendor (which I love to pair with the Vaughan Williams 'Prelude' on same) Rockingham My God, thy table now is set (but also 'When I survey...') Dulce Carmen Lead us, heavenly father, lead us Cobb Come, pure hearts, in sweetest measure Dix For the beauty of the earth (I know, it's not the 'real' tune, but that's how I learned it) Ratisbon Christ, whose glory fills the skies Ar hyd y nos For the fruits of your creation St. Clement The day thou gavest... St. Matthew Thine arm, O Lord, in days of old Cranham In the bleak midwinter Redhead 46 .... pretty sure I've never heard this tune! Redhead 76 Go to dark Gethsemane
Nettleton - Hymns I don't really like all that much Old Hundredth - Come to His Aid, O Saints of God Salzburg - At the Lamb's High Feast Puer Nobis - Puer Nobis Noel Nouvelet - Now the Green Blade Riseth Hyfrydol - Alleluia, Sing to Jesus Regent Square - Angels from the Realms Beach Spring - Love Divine, All Loves Excelling Ode to Joy - Freude, Schoene Gotterfunken Tochter aus Elysium Llanfair - N/A St. Elizabeth - Beautiful Saviour Ash Grove - Sent Forth by God's Blessing St. Thomas - Nothing if I can help it St. Thomas (Williams) - O Bless the Lord, My Soul Ebenezer - N/A St. George's Windsor - Come, Ye Thankful People
Interesting pairings with Dulce Carmen. Here we know it as the 'good-bye to alleluya' hymn, 'Alleluya, song of gladness', and sing it on the last Sunday after the Epiphany (the Sunday next before Septuagesima if you're Ordinariate folk, or the Sunday next before Ash Wednesday if you're a lingering Episcopalian or Anglican). See no. 54 in The Hymnal 1940, or no. 82 in Hymns Ancient andModern (1924)
(And, speaking of 'good-bye to alleluya', how many here bury alleluia for Lent.)
The kids at my present church make a large 'Alleluia' banner each year after Epiphany, and then, after service on the last Sunday after Epiphany, hide it somewhere in the church until Easter morning, when they get to pull it out again and hang it at the back of the Nave. No 'Alleluia's' during Lent here!
I like that. We are cramming in as many alleluias as we can on Feb 26th prior to fasting from them.
One year at a Lent Station Mass some ill-advised or just plain ignorant choir struck up with Alleluia, sing to Jesus. The bishop leapt up as though he had been given an electric shock and ordered them to stop.
Gwalchmai - none St Stephen - none The First Nowell - ahh... The First Noel Redhead No. 47 - Youtube is only suggesting No 76 to me. Gevaert - Youtube not showing me the tune, so I don't know Lux Eoi - none In Babilone - There's a Wideness in God's Mercy Bryn Calfaria - none Rockingham - When I Survey the Wondrous Cross Dulce Carmen - none Cobb - Youtube not showing me the tune, so I don't know Dix - for the Beauty of the Earth Ratisbon - none Ab Hyd Y Nos - Day is Done but Love Unfailing St Clement - it's almost the tune that was used for an Australian folk setting of The Lord is my Shepherd (Boniwell)- but not quite. Mendon - none St Matthew none Newman - Praise to the Holiest in the Height Cranham - In the Bleak Midwinter Redhead No. 46 - none Redhead No. 76 - none
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