Rolling of r's and questions about Pew Missals not rolling pew Missals.
  • JesJes
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    Hi colloquium mates,

    I've noticed something different about your Latin and it seems you guys don't roll your r's and I was wondering if that was something you all chose to do or if rolling r's was wrong? I'm just curious cos we roll them in Aus but only when doing ecclesiastic or specific styles of Latin.
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    Curious to know who has used the pew missal (the one that is sampled) and is this successful in Novus Ordo circles?

    For those that wish to troll with on the side Aussie things.
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  • Steve CollinsSteve Collins
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    I just use a dental flip rather than a roll - almost like a soft "d" but not a "t". It's sort of like a trill - just how many iterations of two grace notes make a trill, and at what speed?
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  • JesJes
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    @stevecollins definitely more than zero. I can't physically roll either so I do a d cr sort of sound. It's customary in Aus to roll all r's when singing Latin singing a normal r is very rare.
  • Steve CollinsSteve Collins
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    Yes. A normal "r" is like fingernails on a chalk board!
  • M. Jackson Osborn
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    Rolled 'r's? How refreshing! Those who regard Liber Usualis Latin as carved in stone and delivered to us by an angel (maybe even a dominion!) would, perhaps, raise an eyebrow (maybe two!), but Cicero would smile. Interesting that you do that down there. Actually, anything that gets the arched tongue away from the roof of the mouth when pronouncing 'r' is progress.

  • JesJes
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    I think it is because normal r sounds a bit like w in Aus.
  • JesJes
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    Haha after all that during evening prayer one of the cantors rolled all of his r's so it must be a thing acknowledged here too.
  • Chris Garton-Zavesky
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    We used to make a distinction (when I was a wee bearn) between rolled and flipped r's. Nobody -- at least, outside of a comedy routine -- sang the American R.
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  • chonakchonak
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    jesearle, are you referring to the Ignatius Pew Missal? Several forum members use it at their parishes. Offhand, I can think of olbash and bkenney. If you use the search function on the forum for "Ignatius Pew Missal", you can find previous discussions, going back to its debut a couple of years ago. If your parish priest is really committed to pursuing a "reform of the reform" approach in the English liturgy, it's very appropriate.
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  • MaestroMark32MaestroMark32
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    I use it, I'll try to chat with you today about it.
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  • CHGiffenCHGiffen
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    Hoping Chris was a wee bairn and not bearn, which would be what? ... a wee bear cub?
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  • Chris Garton-Zavesky
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    Charles,

    Hmmm. It seems my spelling self has temporarily lost its bear-ings? On the other hand, I am sometimes quite a curmudgeonly bear!
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  • JesJes
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    @Chonak thanks yeah it's not for me, I'm tridentine where I am so definitely don't need this but I do know that there are some people out there that will and I reckon their priests will perk up when they see this but I don't want to be responsible for Aussie Catholic War III haha.
    @MaestroMark32 Thanks that would be great.
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    Jokes Aside


    @ChrisGartonZavesky and @CHGiffen I can't bear it...
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  • M. Jackson Osborn
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  • CharlesW
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    It seems fore-bear-ance would be a virtue.
  • Adam WoodAdam Wood
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    Four bear ants.
  • JesJes
    Posts: 576
    Ha. Ha. Ha.
    I grizzle at these puns.
    https://youtu.be/02gJYH3xS2w
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