The Easter Wiggle
  • JonLaird
    Posts: 242
    Overheard at last Thursday's rehearsal:

    "If, in classical Latin, 'v' is pronounced like 'w' and 'g' is always hard, does that mean we're rehearsing for the Easter Wiggle-Mass?"

    You can just imagine where it went from there!
    Thanked by 2G Casavant Organist
  • dad29
    Posts: 2,217
    There's a reason that church Latin is NOT the same as classical Latin. You just found it.
    Thanked by 1StimsonInRehab
  • CharlesW
    Posts: 11,934
    By the time church Latin developed, the language had undergone significant changes - not always for the better. Some of our local Latin scholars can get really upset with church Latin.
    Thanked by 1M. Jackson Osborn
  • SalieriSalieri
    Posts: 3,177
    You should come and listen to my choir sing "ag-noos day-ee kvee tol-lis pek-ka-ta mun-dee: do-na no-bees pah-tsem". I love it.
    Thanked by 1M. Jackson Osborn
  • Liam
    Posts: 4,942
    Germanic Latin, I assume....

    Americans are sheltered.
  • Adam WoodAdam Wood
    Posts: 6,451
    "ag-noos day-ee kvee tol-lis pek-ka-ta mun-dee: do-na no-bees pah-tsem"


    Why?

    I love it.

    Why?
    Thanked by 1Casavant Organist
  • StimsonInRehabStimsonInRehab
    Posts: 1,916
    To paraphrase Mr. Chips: vicissim is "once more", not the answer to the question "what do we do when we meet a pretty girl?"
    Thanked by 1G
  • MatthewRoth
    Posts: 1,947
    My pastor sometimes pronounces his g’s like he is a German. I sometimes have French Latin, and I also sometimes have a hard time with “c,” “ct,” and “th” (Corinthios becomes Cor-in-thee-os and not Cor-in-tee-os, which is bizarre, because of my French affectation).
  • M. Jackson Osborn
    Posts: 8,368
    We are. in fact, doing some 'French' and 'German' Latin as alternatim at the recital I'm playing this very Low Sunday. The French chant (with de Grigny versets) is in the slow semi-metrical and trill-graced XVIIth century plain chant musical style, complete with a sharp or two. (Sorry, for those who are 'more-purist-than-thou' - no serpent this time 'round.)

    Here is the phonetic version I have provided for my schola. Who can guess what the Latin original is of these even numbered stanzas of a well-known hymn?

    Seu-mahnz ee-yood 'Ah-veh'
    Gah-bri-eh-leez oh-ruh
    foohn-da nohz in pah-say
    mooh-tahnz Eh-vay noh-mahn.

    Moh(n)-stra teh eh-say man-trah(m)
    seu-mah pehr teh preh-sah(m)
    kyooee proh noh-bee nah-teu ('kyooee' sung rapidly as 'one syllable' in XVIIth cent.)
    teu-leet ehs-say teu-eu.

    Vee-tah(m) preh-tah peu-rah(m)
    ee-tehr pah-rah teu-uhm
    eu vee-dah(n)-tehz Yay-suh(m)
    sah(m)-pehr coh-lay-tay-meur.

    (It's not for nothing that even Erasmus complained that Latin, which was 'supposed to be' an universal tongue, could not be understood going from one country to the next because everyone pronounced it as he pronounced his own language. Hence, Salieri's Polish choir above. Even today, not everyone subscribes to the pronounce-Latin-as-if-it-were-modern-Italian convention. The Germans, for instance - nor are they the only ones.)

  • JonLaird
    Posts: 242
    That would be Ave Maris Stella!
    Thanked by 1M. Jackson Osborn
  • dad29
    Posts: 2,217
    because of my French affectation


    That can be treated with medicine.
  • M. Jackson Osborn
    Posts: 8,368
    ...can be treated...

    No. There is no cure.
    Despite what many think, people with French affectation syndrome are born that way.
    This is not a choice.
    Trying to change them does severe psychological damage.
  • dad29
    Posts: 2,217
    not everyone subscribes to the pronounce-Latin-as-if-it-were-modern-Italian convention. The Germans, for instance


    Yah, well, the Germans also have a problem with marriage, ya'know.
  • dad29
    Posts: 2,217
    Trying to change them does severe psychological damage


    Well, then they'll meet Nurse Ratched.
  • M. Jackson Osborn
    Posts: 8,368
    ...a problem with...

    So far as I have observed, this seems to be a universal 'problem'.
    I doubt that the Germans have more trouble here than Americans.
    In fact, it would be interesting which country had the longest waiting line for annulments - not to mention the greatest number of 'serial marriages', which are a bald, shameful, and shameless version of polygamy.
  • MatthewRoth
    Posts: 1,947
    J'adore la France...
    Thanked by 4M. Jackson Osborn StimsonInRehab Casavant Organist kevinf
  • M. Jackson Osborn
    Posts: 8,368
    J'adore ...

    I was smitten with Francophilia when in early youthdom. Since then, I am blessed with Francophilia and Anglophilia in equal measure. One can be dominant depending on the hour, the day, or the season.
    Thanked by 1CharlesW
  • Liam
    Posts: 4,942
    Get out and try some Hispanophilia

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2USYdLL_48

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0Jd4A4d5iA
  • M. Jackson Osborn
    Posts: 8,368
    Hispanophilia I've never suffered from.
    And don't ask me why, because I shant tell you.
    I do, though, get a mild case of Austrophilia from time to time.
  • OraLabora
    Posts: 218
    I was smitten with Francophilia when in early youthdom. Since then, I am blessed with Francophilia and Anglophilia in equal measure. One can be dominant depending on the hour, the day, or the season.


    It depends on whether one is in the mood for warm beer or fine but overpriced wine :-)
    Thanked by 2M. Jackson Osborn Liam
  • a_f_hawkins
    Posts: 3,371
    It's Tradition, French wine and English beer were both developed to mature in barrels in cellars at cellar temperature (about 50F / 10C in these latitudes). Artificially chilled beer is analagous to electronic organs.
  • M. Jackson Osborn
    Posts: 8,368
    ...is analagous to...

    Egad!
    Does this mean that I have been drinking beer simulacra all these years?
  • CharlesW
    Posts: 11,934
    Egad!
    Does this mean that I have been drinking beer simulacra all these years?


    Hehehehe. LOL.
    Thanked by 1M. Jackson Osborn
  • Adam WoodAdam Wood
    Posts: 6,451
    I prefer German Beer and English liturgy, and never never never the other way around.
    Thanked by 1M. Jackson Osborn
  • MatthewRoth
    Posts: 1,947
    This!
Add a Comment