Dona Nobis setting
  • amindthatsuits
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    Hello, all:

    I have to lead some children, and I always liked this setting, but entering "Dona Nobis" gets one an unhelpfully large range of responses.

    Could someone tell me what this setting is? Many thanks.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GD2gXaKyT1g

    Thanks.

    Kenneth
  • MichaelDickson
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    Origin unknown. ('traditional') Made famous in modern times by Mozart, I guess, and sometimes (mis)attributed to him.
  • TimTheEnchanterTimTheEnchanter
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    If memory serves, both OCP and GIA have this exact setting across a few of their books, or you can also dig it up from here: http://www1.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php/Dona_nobis_pacem_(Anonymous)

    Most versions are a cappella. I think one or two versions might provide a keyboard transcription of the three parts together, or you can always improvise your own.
  • amindthatsuits
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    My knowledge kind of stops at around 1600, so thanks. Sounds like Public Domain to me, and that is music to my superiors' ears. You'll see I posted about leading some children, and you just filled one of my four slots, so bless you both.

    Kenneth
  • ChoirpartsChoirparts
    Posts: 147
    Score available from cpdl
    http://www.solovoces.com/e107_files/downloads/sv176.pdf

    Practice Link
    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL1A275EDA89220706&feature=view_all
  • chonakchonak
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    It appears in various hymn books, including The Hymnal 1982 (Episcopal Church). I'm not fond of it, so I hope Mozart isn't really to blame for it.
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  • ChoirpartsChoirparts
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    Richard....

    Surprisingly.... there does seem to be a worldwide fondness for it... regardless of the original composer. It seems well suited for Children choirs. The world could use a little dona nobis pacem right now
  • MichaelDickson
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    I hope Mozart isn't really to blame for it.


    The prevailing wisdom (at least as I've heard) is that it was written by a non-professional ('folk music') in the 16th or 17th century, and that Mozart was using the tune in that vein. It certainly does not bear the hallmarks of compositional genius...
  • Jani
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    It's a simple round and kids love to sing it. It has a place.
  • amindthatsuits
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    I am afraid that I am reminded of the old wheeze that folk music is pop music that went to college. It is a pop tune, and that works for me in this context.

    Many thanks.

    Kenneth
  • MichaelDickson
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    Genius it ain't, but I'll take 16th century pop music over 21st century pop music any day. At the (very) least, the subject-matter is infinitely better. And yes, the tune is catchy.
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  • amindthatsuits
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    Then you miss out on a lot of beautiful music. This list does wander off topic rather quickly.
    Kenneth
  • chonakchonak
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    Well, I will grant that it would be a nice tune for a musicbox.
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  • MichaelDickson
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    Well, we're still talking about the same tune! In my short time here I've seen threads wander much further afield in shorter space. ;-)

    As for that beautiful 21st century pop music (whatever it is), I guess I'm willing to take a miss. There's plenty of other beauty in the world.
  • M. Jackson Osborn
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    '...folk music is pop music that went to college.'

    HARDLY!!!
    Folk music is the real music of real folk.
    Pop music is junk, a debased idiom for the entertainment of non-folk people.
    There is no warrant to mention these genres in the same breath or the same house. They are as unlike as can be, and college doesn't enter into it.
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  • ghmus7
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    "Non folk people" Love it.
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  • amindthatsuits
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    Sorry, I do not live in such a rarified world. Folk music is pop music, and pop music is folk music. And L'homme arme' inspired many great works, but either as folk music or pop music it stinks. There is no such thing as the Platonic ideal of people as "folk," but such attitudes are why I don't come here very often. A song style from 1910 was just a pop song; it became a folk song when someone revived it in 1960 and played it in a coffee shop in Ann Arbor.That was what was meant by the joke about folk music having gone to college--it's an academic interpretation of earlier music, and so often very artificial. Most pre-approved "folk" music is boring anyway. What they now call "roots" music, the early forms of music from British immigrants, I have always revered since I stumbled on the syndicated Flatt and Scruggs show early in the morning and my parents made me turn it off as too hickish. It was also the style of my favorite Rolling Stones track, which appeared on a smash hit album. The summative statement of that style was indeed WRITTEN by Bob Dylan,("Tomorow Never Knows") but that's hardly his greatest song. I am thinking rather of its original recording, which was by Elvis. So, no, sorry, you are cutting yourself off from a great deal of good music. But lay on...

    Kenneth
  • amindthatsuits
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    I am glad we did not get into a discussion of folk music, as I know a lot about it and it brought back a lot of memories. I was however absolutely appalled to discover that the same thing is happening to my beloved roots music as happened to museum-mummified folk music. Put it this way: Alan Lomax and Elvis Presley learned the music at about the same time from about the same people. I trust the judgment of the truck driver. Bob Dylan did more for folk music than any faux-hootenanny. Best way to make sure music dies is to define it. It was bad enough a couple of years ago when fans of Brits Mumford and Sons would tell me excitedly about music I have loved for 50 years.

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/a-new-breed-of-americana-takes-root-1411596298
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